. >> taser, taser, taser. >> for the very latest on the investigation into this shooting, i want to bring in cnn's reporter who's live in charleston, south carolina, right now. could owe get me up to speed. is it as fast-moving, this investigation -- are there still pieces of breaking information that are changing the dynamic of this story? >> reporter: ashleigh, i can tell you that at this point there has been no actual public response from officials here at city hall from north charleston. but at the same time, it will be crucial for investigators to try to find out exactly what happened between warter scott and michael slager. what happened at a very crucial point, we've seen the dashcam video you just showed, essentially the initial traffic stop. and that cell phone video that was shown towards the tail end of this struggle between scott and slager. but we haven't seen what happened between those two different locations. the main question here is, why did scott run from officer slager? why was he running away from the officer who would eventually tase and obviously eventually shoot an

we're looking at the example taser right now from taser international.not exactly sure this is the one that was used. again, explain to me if that item in the shadow box behind the officer is in fact a cartridge, then that would explain why you can still see the lines attached to what appear to be something in the officer's hand. what's critical here is it's not the taser that is behind the officer if the lines are still attached to something in the officer's hand, correct? >> that is correct, yes. >> so larry, help me forensically figure out what might have happened next. the taser wire is still somewhere around the vicinity of the officer's arms or hands. yet, the officer -- when he aapproach approached the victim on the ground, he returned to this exact site and picked something up. can we be fairly clear it's not the taser? >> it's quite possible he picked up the cartridge. these devices come with two cartridges. one obviously was fired and he is still holding the taser in his hand at this point. and the barbs are now attached to mr. scott. it didn't

does that not therefore render that taser useless, not dangerous, even if the man took the taser?it's been used. it can no longer present a threat, right? >> well, once the cartridge has been discharged, once he's fired the taser weapon, the probes can't be reset into the cartridge. so what you basically have, without replacing the cartridge, you have a stun gun. it's a pain compliance tool. it can no longer be used to incapacitate the officer. so that variable in and of itself and the physical evidence at the scene will verify where it was deployed out because they have little aphids that come out whenever the weapon is utilized. that will show on the ground where the weapon was actually used. so if the cartridge had been discharged, the officer knows even if he had possession of it, it's not going to be incapacitating to the officer. so it is not a deadly force threat. >> dan shore, is there anything that this officer could use in his own defense to actually convince anyone that in his mind -- because this is always the standard, in his mind he felt that there was some kind of a

his taser. say he only saw him try to escape. if he proper hit him with all 50,000 volts it should have incapacitated the 5'5" 180 pound man something like this training video. walter scott clearly running unaffected by any taser until michael slager made the decision to use deadly force. >> another witness tells cnn that she never heard slager say anything about stopping or stop where you are to mr. scott as he ran. also mr. faden who shot the video says that he nearly erased it out of fear for his lime. jim. >> incredible. thanks very much. >>> next the iotolla saying not so fast on the iran nuclear deal. is the deal already dead tonight? let me talk to you about retirement. a 401(k) is the most sound way to go. let's talk asset allocation. sure. you seem knowledgeable professional. would you trust me as your financial advisor? i would. i would indeed. well, let's be clear here. i'm actually a dj. [ dance music plays ] [laughs] no way! i have no financial experience at all. that really is you?

matt i yelled taser, taser, as required in training. the deputy below me ducked he pulled away from it so that i could -- now, i've never, you know -- first and foremost let me apologize to the family of eric harris. this is the second worst thing that has ever happened to me or first, after happened to me in my life. i rate this as number one on my list of things in my life that i regret. >> mr. bates would you stand up for me for one second and show me where on your body in your uniform, you keep your taser and where you keep your weapon your revolver. can you stand up and show me? >> sure. you bet. my taser is right here in my front, tucked in a protective vest. my gun itself is on my said normally to the rear. >> and people are going to look at that, mr. bates and say how could you make this mistake? how could you think you were going for your taser on your chest, tucked into the vest and accidentally pull your weapon? >> well let me say this has happened a number of times around the country. i have read about it in the past. i thou

they said he took control of the taser and i heard he was tasered more than one time.hought that he was okay, but by the time i got to the actual site, my nephew came to me and told me that he was gone. i'm like, how is he gone? they said that he tried to take the officer's taser away from him and therefore the officer had to use deadly force. >> when you saw the video for the first time, what did you feel? >> i felt like -- i knew there was something wrong with their story from the beginning, because i know my brother would not ever try to attack or try to taser an officer. i know he would have given up and surrendered. the whole story just didn't sound right, and then after hearing this part of the story, there's just not something right with this. after i saw the video, i said the video told the whole truth. >> chris, the justice department, the fbi will be looking into this. but what outcome are you pushing for here? how can the scotts get justice? >> you know, we're going to strongly follow the case that the solicitor is going to bring against this officer. they c

this 73-year-old reserve deputy pulled what he thought was his taser ready to taser this suspect andadvertently reached for his gun instead and shot the suspect and the suspect later died. ed lavandera is on the scene in tulsa, oklahoma with more on this. tell us more ed. >> good morning, carol. robert bates as you see this video just arrived here at the sheriff's department in tulsa to turn himself in. he arrived with his attorneys. we asked him if he wanted to make any comments. his attorneys asked us to wait a little bit. they said they wanted to go inside and take care of what they needed to take care of. so it remains to be seen whether or not mr. bates will make any sort of public comment after he has been booked into the sheriff's department. the very department where he spent the last seven years volunteering as a reserve deputy and volunteering more than 1,000 hours. as he walked in first time i ever had seen him face to face he appeared rather subdued as he walked in quietly inside the sheriff's department here. we anticipate not exactly sure how long this proscess will tak

the taser, you know you can hear the sound of the taser. >> reporter: scott's family calling santana a hero for coming out. the city's mayor and police chief actually faced an angry crowd at one point during a press conference. it is specifically when they were questioned about something that happened after the shooting. there seems to be a question of whether or not the officers performed cpr on scott. listen to what happened when the police chief was questioned about that. >> in the end of it what i saw was a, i believe to be a police officer removing the shirt of the individual and performing some type of life-saving. i'm not sure what took place. >> you don't know if cpr was performed? >> i was told life saving. they tried to save his life. >> reporter: the chief unable to answer questions about the officer's taser. where was it? the video seems to show at least this is what the family believes they believe the video shows officer slager trying to plant that taser next to scott's body. the police chief unable to answer that question when press odd that particular subject. certain

and usually, when you have a taser, you got to have the taser on one side and your weapon on the otheris way you don't make the mistake by pulling your weapon. >> so it's always on the same side. >> it's always on the same tied and your taser is on this side. so how this guy mistakenly did it tells me he did it is so fast he wasn't watching what he was doing, fired, and at the last minute oh my god, i shot at this guy. also you to take into account, okay, this guy is 73 years old. is he mentally capable to be able to do this kind of a job? what is the age limit on reserve officers? can you be like 90 and out there? i mean, what is it? >> right, right. and of course the fact that he was a big donor. there is within last thing i want to ask you. the suspect says he is having trouble breathing. this is after he had been shot. he didn't die immediately. it was a painful death. he says i'm losing my breath. another officer responds f your breath. put his hands back. is that an appropriate response? now you're talking about the fact that the suspect is black, the officers are white. >> that

the end "taser taser taser."ssume in fact we know that in fact a taser was used by this police officer. >> yeah i think we can pretty much reasonably assume that. i don't want to be too speculative here that certainly will come out as well too, so in his warning, the fact he was getting ready to deploy his taser to mr. davis -- what it appears to be, but you know i think as the next number of days go on the next number of weeks, more and more information is going to emerge it will be interesting, of course to know that witness that was sitting in the car with mr. davis, what is his or her comments, conversation with him before he -- >> but john we do have the witness that videoed this encounter saying he was tasered. that does not in fact mean we know that to be the case but there is a witness who said he saw mr. scott being tasered. >> that means he was deploying the taser. we don't know if it was hit, but how -- here inaffect i have after ten feet. if there's taser marks on his body, that would suggest he actua

he grabbed my taser. >> but did walter scott really grab the taser? frank piaza is an expert. >> the officer seems to lunge and have something in his hand. is he putting himself up in arms to shield himself? i don't know maybe there's a tasing happening at that point. >> you also see something seems to fall or come off the officer. so we zoomed in for a better look and slowed the video as the object tumbled off the dirt back. >> and if i take it back to that same spot in the video, and we watch it frame by frame, you can see something. >> right there. >> and it also grabs a reflection. you can see. >> like a silver or white. >> possibly something metallic. >> enhancing the video also showed us something we hadn't seen before. some sort of struggle on the ground even before the suspect took off running. >> i believe they're wrestling on the ground. as you continue to watch it frame by frame, you can see there's some movement and somebody stands up. >> reporter: we also wanted to know if this suspect did take the officer's taser, was it ever in his hand

he brought the taser out. i wouldn't come out. he pulled the taser out. the black officer still had hold of me. he was like come out the house or i'm going to taz you. i threw my hands up. >> how did that feel? >> what do you mean how it feel? painful. >> exactly what did you say to the officer or -- how long from when you first saw him until he tased you? how long did it take? >> honestly i can't tell you. i wasn't thinking about no time frame. i was in my house. >> did you try to tell him you weren't the suspect in this case? >> he never even told me why he came. i want to say it right. he say he had a call from around the corner about a guy up here got a break-in or something. he asked me why you sweating? [ inaudible ] i been hot. it ain't summertime you know but still was hot. >> what was your reaction when you discovered he was exonerated? >> say that smaller words for me. >> when you found out they let him off. >> i was upset. technically they took a long time. they came back and said we still investigating. we still investigating. they came back o

and scott was trying just to get away from the taser, the taser, you know, you can hear the sound of the taser. >> reporter: he had been tased, and you heard the sound? >> i heard the sound before i started recording. >> martin savidge has more on the investigation. it centers around that difficult industry watch. he does enthuse. sze to give you a warning, parts of this report on graphic. >> reporter: one dan after releasing this shocking video -- >> no justice -- >> no peace! >> reporter: north charleston's feeling the fallout. >> this has been a reality that has been in north charleston police department for many, many years. it just so happens we've got a video. >> reporter: demonstrator demanding the mayor resign and more officers be arrested as the investigation into the police shooting death of walter scott intensifies. >> everybody will know the truth. >> reporter: scott's family said they first saw the video sunday, horrified by what it showed, but grateful for the truth they say it reveals, especially in light of other deaths of african-americans at the hands of police. >>

he mistook his gun for his taser. he also showed exactly where both weapons were positioned in relation to each other on his body. >> my taser is right here on the front tucked in a protective vest. my gun itself is on my side. normally to the rear. this has happened a number of times around the country. i have read about it in the past. i have thought to myself after reading several cases i don't understand how this can happen. you must believe me, it can happen to anyone. >> he says it can happen to anyone. let's bring in former nypd detective and law enforcement consultant. tom, it's really been interesting to lean on your expertise on this because this is an area not a lot of folks know about, about reserve deputies and what their role is but specifically this issue of the mistake of grabbing the gun when he wanted to grab the taser. he laid out clearly. the taser was here. gun is positioned here. how do you explain the mistake? >> we talked about this a couple days ago. this was brought up this morning on the sho

taser -- you can hear the sound of the taser. >> he'd been tased at that point? >> yeah, yeah. before i started recording. and i believe he just wanted to get away of the taser. like i said, he never used the taser again. >> so mr. scott runs away. >> yeah. >> and then what's the police officer do? >> as you can see in the video, the police officer shot him in the back. and i knew right away i have something in my hands. >> ultimately you turned it over to the attorneys for the family. >> yes. >> what was their reaction to you? >> well, it was, like i said, they were very emotional, you know, when that happened. including me also cause like when i turn it i felt, you know, i thought about his position, their situation. i said if i would have a family member that would happen, i would like to know the truth. >> as a result of that videotape, a man, a police officer has been charged with murder. how do you feel about that? >> well, like i say, it's not something that no one can feel happy about. he has his family and mr. scott also has his family. but i think, you know, he made a

tasering him?yes, i could hear the sound and it is when i started the video, and i decided to take my phone out, and maybe to triy to see the cop there the person standing over there, and -- i started recording. that is when everything happened. >> reporter: and one quick correction because we said to lester holt but that is to nbc's craig melvin and one fascinating angle to this is how close all of us came to never understanding or realizing what happened in the incident and never finding out what happened in the incident, because feidin santana had real fears of what would happen if he released the video, and this is what he said. >> i even thought of erasing the video. >> why? >> i don't know. i felt that my life with this information might be like in danger. so i tried to -- i thought about erasing the video and just getting out of the community of charleston and leaving someplace else else. >> reporter: leaving town, because you rare that scared? >> yes. i saw the video and once i saw the vide

the taser or if somebody is calling for a taser. my sense is it's bates saying he's about to use the taser, is that what you thought? >> that's what i thought, and i watched it several times, it's a bit unclear to me, anderson. but what isn't unclear is when you look at the facts here, he called that mourning, he called the task force to ask what was going on. he wanted to be a part of this. and while he's volunteered, i think my understanding is, over 1,000 hours, bottom line is, he doesn't have the training necessary to participate in this. is that the kind of model that we want? do we want really what are ordinary citizens, with enough money to play to be police officers, policing our streets? this is a very, very dangerous precedent, and i think it's now time for either the justice department, perhaps or every single police department to review this -- the deputy status, we're going to see more and more of this kind of thing, if it isn't happening more than we even know. >> and phil, to dan's point, in new york city, it's not pe

a taser.one to warn other law enforcement officers that you're about to deploy this device. >> reporter: then the shot goes off and bates apologizes. >> i shot him. i'm sorry. >> reporter: clark says a scientific reason called slip and capture explains why bates had a gun in his hand and not the taser. clark says in times of extreme emergencies and time pressure, officers react dimple. >> you can train someone as much as you can and you train in every area that you can, but in times of crisis, sometimes training is not going to take you through the scenario. >> reporter: clark says after the shot was fired, bates' gun immediately fell to the ground. he says that is because a taser grip and gun grip are different. >> he, obviously, had a taser grip which caused the gun upon discharge to leave his hands and fall to the pavement. >> i want to bring in former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. good morning to you, tom. >> good morning. >> good morning. in the piece, investigators say the mistake

a taser on the officer.hat. >> i'm curious, when you saw in the video the officer getting down and pick something up, after shooting your brother, you saw the officer walk back, bend down, pick something up, walk back to the body, place something on the ground, what did you immediately think? >> that's the taser guy. that's the taser guy. there was no struggle. as he allegedly said. right then. and it just proved what i already knew. what i already felt. >> what did you say to the person who brought you the video? >> i said thank you. >> did the person wait to show you the tape in order to see what the police were going to say first? >> yes, sir. >> the person wanted to see what the police were going to say about the shooting? >> what they were going to report. >> to see if it was the real deal. >> if it was going to be the real deal, if they were going to come clean. >> i keep thinking about, one of the many things, is just the courage of that person taking that video. i mean -- >> oh, yes. tremendous. >> i

, taser, taser." listen to this. >> taser, taser, taser. >> what do you think, cedric? the police officer shouting "taser taser, taser" at that moment? appropriate, not appropriate, to take out a stun gun and start using a taser? >> well at that point, certainly an officer not knowing exactly what he was being confronted with and obviously he had someone who was running from him and did not know where he was coming from or where he was going to so he's probably just announcing the fact that he was going to taser. what is going to be interesting to note is in that small frame now where you have a witness who has come into play she's somewhat putting some of that piece together as to what has occurred between the time he ran from the vehicle up until the time we saw him shot in the back. what's going to be very difficult here wolf in this case regardless of what happened prior to that shooting it is going to be very very difficult unless some real dramatic information comes forth tlas that is going to b

the officer chased him fired his taser. scott ran away again and that's when the eight shots were fired. slager's version is walker tried to seize his taser. this happened on saturday. you already have murder charges a couple of days later. very unlike these other case wes have seen. they went straight to it. the police chief just appeared the mayor spoke. they have condemned this. the justice department is involved. what are they telling you? >> this is really fast moving story now. i think this is a lesson from ferguson is what we're seeing. the justice department says the fbi in south carolina and the civil rights division for the just defense here in washington are now opening their own investigations alongside the state officials. they say the justice department will take appropriate actions in light of the development in this case. clearly, video is making the big difference here. you don't have to rely only on the officer's version of the story and what he said happened. >> thank you very much. evan talking to the ju

gray was running, one of the officers did have a taser and yeld taser, taser, taser as they're required to do but it was never deployed. and he clearly stated that there's no medical evidence that mr. gray was ever tased. >> you know jean it's been 10 days now, we still don't know how freddy gray was fatally injured. is this process taking longer than normal in your opinion or is this normal? >> we're not supposed to give out information in reference to an active on going case so that's nothing unusual. >> it does seem like in other situations, there has been more information released even while an investigation continues, no? >> no we're not supposed to divulge any information in refer ngs to ance to an active investigation. you don't want to take the chance of jeopardizishe ishing the integrity of the information. and they can be totally opposite down the road. i talked to >> i talked to an attorney who said this is a case of someone running while black. how do you respond to that? >> mr. murphy is a very good attorney and good advocate for his client and he's doing what he believes h

taser, taser, taser. but we don't know what happened. is there anything in your perspective from working with police officers and being involved in training that might have happened that could have made the police officer fear for his life and then that next deadly encounter be justified? >> well i think the thing we have to look at what has made north charleston international news. why, why is cnn all the other major news entities here in north charleston. and that is because we witnessed on video, mr. scott being shot five times in the back. then the question that's being raised by a lot of folks and rightfully so -- what would have happened if this video had not been taken? so emotions are raw. we're very wounded here in the city. and we have a lot of repair we have to do. not only in north charleston but in this country. i'm really concerned about how divided we are at this point. >> i mean it's so interesting, even with the video, that you would think is so helpful to answer the questions, it just so

>> that is the taser gun. that is the taser gun there. is no struggle. as he allegedly said. right then. and it just proved what i already knew. what i already felt. >> what did you say to the person who brought you the video? >> i said thank you. >> did the person wait to show you the tape in order to see what the police were going to say first? >> yes, sir. >> the person who took the video, they wanted to see what the police were going to say about the shooting. >> what they were going to report. >> if it was the real deal. >> if it was the real deal if they were going to come clean. >> because i keep thinking about the -- i mean, one of the many things is the courage of that person taking that video. >> yes. oh yes. tremendous tremendous. >> and people say i would have done the same thing, but you see an officer shoot somebody in the back multiple time ss, and you not only take the video who captured it and then approach the officers and continue to tape, that is courage. >> that is courage. >> and that is courage. >> courage. >> do you believe that justice will be done he

>> to me it looks like a taser. the taser gun. >> chris what do you think it is? suspect that that's the officer planting evidence? >> yes. it's pretty clear from slowing the tape down and the highlights that have been done to it that he drops the taser, kills mr. scott, walks all the way back picks something up off the ground from where he was taking the shots, comes back to the body waits a second drops it on the ground and then pretends to be recovering it and putting it back on his holster. why we believe that is because it fits in line with his initial reports of what happened out there. he just committed murder. he needed something, a justifiable reason to use lethal force. that's the only thing he could think of. >> anthony, where do you think we would be right now if that bystander hadn't happened to have been there and had the presence of mind to film this incident? >> well actually i think we wouldn't be at the point that we are now. but being shot in the back four times, there is absolutely no way you could cover that up. it doesn't -- based on what he

somebody say taser, taser, i'm not sure if that's bates indicating that he's going to use the taser or if somebody is calling for a taser. my sense is it's bates saying he's about to use the taser? is that what you thought? >> that's what i thought. i've watched it several times, it's still a bit unclear to me. but what isn't unclear, is when you look at the facts here, he called that morning, he called the task force to ask what was going on. he wanted to be on a part of this. and while he's volunteered, i think my understanding is over a thousand hours, bottom line is he doesn't have the training necessary to participate in this. is that the kind of model that we want? do we want really what are ordinary citizens with enough money, to play to be police officers policing our streets? this is a very very dangerous precedent. and i think it's now time for either the justice department perhaps or every single police department to review this deputy status. because we're going to see more and more of this kind of thing, if it hasn't more than we even know. >> and to dan's point, new yo

it looks as if the taser had been fired as well possibly. there's a taser bash here.er he shot him with the taser and he ran at that point. some people do. some people you can shoot them with a taser and they are still active. we are not aware of mr. scott being armed in any way. he's running away. why he was not chased by the officer -- >> he doesn't look like a threat to you. it doesn't look like that. >> it doesn't look like a threat at this point. we don't know what led us to this point. that part is missing. that part does not look like a threat. >> there's a couple other things we want to look at. after he's shot a number of times in the back, he goes up to walter scott right there and doesn't check if he's okay. he puts handcuffs on this man shot multiple times. >> actually, i hate to say it, if there was anything done right in this incident, that was probably the only thing that was done correct from what i can tell. that's not uncommon. i don't know if he's armed or not. he may have a weapon on him i'm not aware of. initially i'm going to go over to him and c

gray was running, one of the officers did have a taser, yelled taser, taser, taser as they are required to do prior to deploying a taser however it was never deployed and i believe the commissioner clearly stated in his press conference there is to medical evidence that mr. gray was ever tazed. >> gene it has been ten days now and we still don't know how or when freddie gray was fatally injured. is this process taking longer than normal in your opinion or is this normal? >> now, what has to happen is we're not supposed to give out information in reference to an active ongoing case because it could jeopardize the integrity of the case. that is nothing unusual. >> it does seem like and i might be wrong but it does seem like in other situations there has been more information released even while an investigation continues. am i right? >> no. we're not supposed to divulge or release any information in regard to an active investigation. like i said you don't want to jeopardize the integrity of the investigation by giving out the information too soon. because a lot of times the information yo

and he was just taser him, taser mr. scott. >> you could hear the taser? >> yes, yeah. i hear the taser. like i say, i can hear the sound. i didn't know how a taser sound, but knew it was something like electric sound. >> to be clear, was mr. scott on the ground being tased in you said the officer was over him? >> yes, yes. he was on the ground. and the officer was taser him. >> and then mr. scott got -- >> mr. scott never tried to fight, to fight back with the officer or nothing. he just try to get away from him. and the cop and the taser. >> did you ever see mr. scott grabbing the taser? that's what the officer said happened. >> no never seen that. >> after the shooting a lot of people probably would have run away. were you scared? because you went toward them. you got closer and you were actually saying things. >> yes. i was. at that moment i honestly wasn't scared. i didn't fear anything. just, you know there was something i never imagined that would have happened and maybe that was the reason why i didn't -- why i wasn't scared of this. >> when officer slager after

you must believe me it can happen to anyone. >> you yelled taser, taser. you mentioned the other deputy ducked and cleared so you could use your taser, and then you heard that gunshot. what were you thinking when you heard the shot? >> oh, my god, what has happened? the laser light is the same on each weapon. i saw the light, and i squeezed the trigger and then realized i dropped the gun. this was not an intentional thing. i have no desire to ever take anyone's life. >> that interview this morning. tonight the victim's family is reacting to bate's explanation while questions continue to pop up about his training and qualifications to be on the job. nbc's gabe gutierrez with that story. >> reporter: today tulsa county reserve deputy robert gates apologized to the family of the man he shot and killed. >> first and foremost let me apologize to the family of eric harris. i rate this as number one on my list of things in my life that i regret. >> reporter: on april 2nd, the 73-year-old insurance broker was acting as backup as they chased a suspect. he meant to

possibly the taser. we don't know that for sure. based on the circumstances it appears to be possible. next frame. here we're going to focus in on it. does this piece of video show the taser being dropped. you're a police officer 24 years this new york. when you look at that evidence i'm not asking you to be judge, jury what does that look like? >> something looks funny. the way he dropped it it was like he was walking and like he wasn't dropping it. >> like he wanted to hide what he was doing. >> the assumptions it might be the taser. we can't tell. we have to get the video enhanced. we have to read the real police report. even though he was videotaping, he was probably a lot closer to see what was going on. >> did you ever catch a cop prfor planting evidence? >> yes. >> so it does happen. paul i want to talk to you about the legal requirements for making the use of deadly force acceptable here. clearly the police first account in this case was false based on what we have seen in the video. what do you need to justice deadly force.

lifelock. >>> a tulsa, oklahoma sheriff mistook a gun for a taser this week.ey say it was an accident and the officer thought he was firing his taser. cnn's victor blackwell has more. >> reporter: the incident on april 2 shows the suspect eric harris appears to show ammunition and a pistol to an undercover officer. shortly after selling the gun, harris runs from officers who were trying to arrest him. it's while harris is bolting from police, that one of the officers catches up and the suspect is wrestled to the ground. it's in the ensuing take down that you can hear the tulsa county deputy shouting that he has a taser. >> that's done to warn other law enforcement officers that you're about to deploy this device. >> reporter: they say baits accidentally pulls the trigger on his gun instead of the taser and fires a roungd to harris. tulsa city police sergeant jim clark who was brought in as an independent consultant said that friday during a news conference that a scientific phrase explains what happened to baits in that moment. it's called slips and capture th

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harris being taken to it the ground and then fighting the other officers he announced taser, taser, used his non-dominant hand and it was the gun. he said that he saw the laser site on the shoulder assumed it was the taser. both the gun and the taser have a laser site. it's not the first time an officer has made that mistake across this country. >> i understand. but when it does it makes news especially when someone loses his life and especially when it's someone with experience such as your client. let me just ask you, explain to people who are trying to understand what a reserve deputy does and their role with the sheriff's department specifically the gifts, the guns he's given. >> well i mean the fact that he's been benevolent to the department shouldn't be criticized. it should be applauded. i mean we have a lot of citizens that give to the community. and we have a very benevolent community here, large givers to the city and to the police departments and he's a person that has stepped up not only with his time, but his benevolence. there's nothing sinister about that. >> clark brewst

bob didn't mistook a gun for a taser. he had the gun in his hand and thought it was a taser. >> i'm not sure what he's saying. could you discern what he was saying? >> i thought he implied that there was a mistake that he sort of made the mistake of having the gun in his hand rather than the taser. his intention was to have the taser in his hand. that also goes to training. how does a trained police officer or does a trained police officer make that kind of mistake? is that a common mistake? >> there are other police officers at the scene that had drugs drawn and they didn't go shoot the suspect. >> it's not unusual for officers in this takedown situation to have their guns drawn because let's call it what it is. mr. harris was not a nice guy. he was trying to sell guns. had he successfully sold that gun it would have ended up on the street. this is not a guys guy we were dealing with. he deserves to be in jail for the rest of his life however it seems clear that deputy bates mistook his gun for his taser. the gun and tas

when you pull the taser, you pull the taser. now, obviously, we hear from the audio part of this tape that the officer believes he is firing the taser. he is caught up in the excitement of the moment. these kind of arrest situations with a potentially violent individual don come up every day. keep in mind, this subject has just sold firearms and ammuniti ammunition. the expectation is that he is not going to get rid of every weapon he has. he is going to keep one to protect himself so he doesn't get robbed of his weapons. so the expectation is that the police may have been justified in using a firearm instead of a taser, you know? he was trying to use a taser. accidentally used a firearm, but the investigation is going to have to determine is that accident or not, even using the firearm might have been justified in this situation. yet, again, we see a subject who doesn't imply, doesn't want to be arrested, takes off, fights with the police, and that almost guarantees bad things happen. tasers don't always work. even though that

and someone is heard shouting taser taser when the suspect is down and he fires his revolver once and it is not clear if bates indicates ep was about to use his taser. his likely defense is when he grabbed the gun, his muscle memory theory. >> 22-year-old oscar grant get news a scuffle with bart transit police. officer mezzerly and another officer try to subdue grant. at some point the officer announces i'm going to taze him and then fires. trouble is he didn't use his taser. he mistakenly grabbed his semi automatic handgun fired one shot into his back killing him. protested erupted. how could a police have made such a fatal error. perhaps because of something called slips in capture. a psychological stress phenomenon causes a person to slip from their intended path to be captured by a stronger response to takes them in a different direction. this man responded in the trial. >> he's mentally trying to draw his tazer in a cross draw position in front of his belt but his hand is on his side arm. he raises himself up and then fires the one shot and then immediately reacts -- oh, my god.

his reaction was, you know, to get away of the taser. >> was there a struggle over the taser that you saw? were they fighting over it? >> no. he never grabbed the taser. >> let's bring in jason carroll on the ground in north charleston, south carolina. good morning, jason. what's the latest? >> reporter: first of all, obviously santana's video is going to be key to the investigations that are taking place here in south carolina. there are multiple investigations that are taking place. you've got the fbi. you've got the criminal investigation going on as well. you've got the south carolina law enforcement division. that state agency that is conducting the investigation, that is the one that a lot of people here, john, are focusing on. just a few moments ago i actually spoke to the spokesperson from that agency called s.l.e.d. for short, his name tom berry. when i asked him about what sort of evidence they have, specifically the dash cam videos. that seems to be the question in trms of how many dash cam videos are out there and what are on the videos. when i spoerk to berry, he said the

saw the police taser him? >> yes. and i decide to take my phone out maybe to try -- and i started recording. that's when everything happened. >> reporter: so you're watching this, and what's going through your mind? >> i mean, at the scene? >> reporter: yes, at the scene. >> well, like i say, i never expect this. i never thought that the place would shoot him. the man was running away from the police. i believe he maybe was scared of the taser, you know, and he just was looking for a way to get away from the police. it's very -- it was very -- >> reporter: did you hear the officer say anything? before he fired the shots? >> no. before he was on the ground, he was staying stop. and after that, after he shoot, he was on the ground, mr. scott was on the ground. >> reporter: did you hear mr. scott say anything during all of this? >> no, nothing. no, sir. he was hurt by the taser. >> reporter: at the end of the video that you shot, you see the officer put something down. >> i saw it on the video. i didn't catch tha

taser." you mentioned the other deputy ducked and cleared so you could use your taser and then you heard that gunshot. what were you thinking when you heard the shot? >> oh, my god, what has happened? the laser light is the same on each weapon. i saw the light and i squeezed the trigger and then realized i'd dropped the gun. this was not an intentional thing. i have no desire to ever take anyone's life. >> you can be heard on that tape "i shot him, i'm sorry" and there's a lot of emotion in your voice. what was the emotion? was it sorrow? was it shock? was it fear for the repercussions of what you had just done? >> matt i never considered the repercussions of what i had just done. it was shock. i can tell you it stayed with me for a number of days i'm not at all sure it's not still with me today. lack of sleep, inability to concentrate all of those plus more. i still can't believe it happened. >> mr. bates, in the wake of this incident you have been portrayed as a wealthy and generous support

he grabbed my taser. >> [ bleep ]. >> 523, shots fired. he grabbed your taser.e eye witness has said if there was some sort of confusion about who had the taser, would any of that have justified what we saw next in the video where the deadly force is used? >> my position would be no it would not justify it however, you've hit exactly where his lawyer is going to go. his lawyer's going to say, what you don't see in the video is what provoked all of this that there was an attack that he was responding to the attack because he's got to show shoehorn in this fleeing felon defense. remember something, if there was no video, and until this video came about on monday this officer had not been charged with anything. this case had been reported as hundreds of cases are all the time where the officer, it's almost as if there's a script. the officer feared for his safety. the officer struggled with the suspect for the weapon and the officer fired and, you know in this case the report even said the officer administered cpr, which obviously did not happen. all of those thing

his reaction was, you know to get away of the taser. >> was there a struggle over the taser that youg over it? >> no.

but over there, i knew it was a taser, when he went back again to get the taser. but never saw that he dropped the taser, like i say. but i guess i saw that he picked something up. i didn't know what it was. >> after you viewed this video from your cell phone, then what did you do with it? >> after that, i kind of thought, you know, in my head, i just -- like i say, i knew the magnitude of this, and i tried to -- i even thought about erasing the video. >> why? >> i don't know. i felt that my life, with this information, might be, like i say, in danger. and i tried to -- i thought about erasing the video and just getting out of the community, you know, and leave to someplace else. >> leaving town? >> yes. >> because you're that scared? >> yes. i saw the video, i knew that the cop didn't do the right thing. like i say, i feel kind of scared about that. >> but you decided instead of deleting the video, you decided to do what? >> i decided -- i looked at the police report. i went home after working. i went home. like i say, i was -- people went to the barbershop, talk

listen to this. >> taser, taser, taser. taser, taser, taser. >> all right.re playing parts of this video more than once. so as the scuffle continues, more yelling from the police officer. >> hand behind your back. get on the ground. get on the ground. >> all right. then i guess about a minute later scott is shot dead. let's examine all of this with audio expert frank piazza. thanks for being here. >> sure. >> do you notice something in this dash cam video that we haven't noticed? >> all i know is that the audio clearly is being compromised because of the activity. the microphone's bouncing around so it's hard to really know exactly without enhancing it and really getting down to you know what really might be said in there. you know just to create more accuracy in the play back. >> so how do they do that? >> well you know there are techniques that we do when we enhance audio. the quick version is you're trying to reduce the noises that meeting masking the conversations. >> once you go through and you start parsing this out according to the audio, the officer

they said he took control of the taser. and i heard he was tasered more than one time. i thought that he was okay. but by the time i got to the actual site, my nephew told me he was gone. i said, how is he gone? they said he tried to take the officer's taser away from him. therefore, the officer had to use deadly force. >> whether you saw the video for the first time, what did you fee feel? >> i knew there was something wrong because my brother would never try attack or tase the officer. i knew he would have given up and surrendered. t the whole story didn't sound right. i thought something's not right with this. after i saw the video, i saw the video told the whole truth. >> for people watching who think that a police officer outright murdering a suspect is rare and unique and not part of a very large systemic issue all across the u.s. when it comes to the way cops treat african-americans, what do you say to people who say this does not represent a larger issue? >> i would say that in some cases that may be the case. it's not just african-americans being gunned down un