i'm hoping that she can convince judge, tatel. >> host: our two guests are lawyers, it may come as no surprise. [laughter] gigi sohn from the university of pennsylvania, randy may at duke. this has been "the communicators" on c-span. >> c-span, created by america's cable companies in 1979, brought to you as a public service by your television provider. >> coming up next, the american bar association hosts a public hearing on stand your ground laws following the trayvon martin case. after that, american and egyptian analysts discuss strategies for engaging the international community to help egypt achieve economic and political stability. and then we'll be be live from the council on foreign relations to hear remarks by former treasury secretary hank paulson and former congressman and house financial services committee chairman barney frank on some of the lessons learned from the 2008 financial crisis. and later the senate will be gaveling in, 2 p.m. eastern for two hours of general speeches before resuming debate on the energy bill and judicial nominations to the u.s. court of federal