we are joined by the conservative mp for tatton, esther mcvey, the political commentator alex armstrong, and the former labour minister bill rammell esther. should it be illegal to enter into a marriage with your first cousin? and what do you make of that independent mp iqbal mohammed and his comments in parliament today? >> well, this has been bubbling up for a while. >> you talked about some of those studies, and i remember the born in bradford in 2013, that the number of children in bradford born with birth defects were double the national average, and this was mainly due to the first cousin marriages within the pakistani community. and really what we should be looking at is those health implications for those children. so yes, we should be banning first cousin marriages as had been bubbling around for a while, but it's obviously of much more importance right now. but people shouldn't be tiptoeing around it and finding excuses for it. when you see those serious disabilities, the suffering, those children, and it makes sense to me to ban it. and if you can't ban it, then you need seri