>> correct. >> sosnovske was there with taunja bennett, and taunja bennett was alive. >> sosnovske tells.'s lounge. john and taunja are in the car. they're playfully fighting with one another. >> she slapped him. he slapped her. punched her, slapped her. and they were laughing. >> did it progress into something where there wasn't laughter any longer? >> yes, then it become serious, a serious argument. as we went further down the freeway, he said, i'm going to take her. >> did he tell you that he was going to have sex with her? >> yes. >> you told us there was a point where john said, quote, she's not going home, end quote. is that his words to the best of your memory? >> yes, it is. >> and they drive up to the columbia gorge. they get to vista house, crown point on the scenic highway. he tells laverne to pull into the parking area. >> he went to the trunk, and there was rope in there. he says, i'm going to tie her up. it's more of a thrill this way. >> laverne says she gets out of the car and she goes to this stairwell, and taunja bennett is laying there in the stairwell. she's alive. >>