chairman, it's a tautalogn, and it's true to say the e-mails are the e-mails. however, there is no evidence of collusion between gm and the department of treasury that would suggest that the government is running gm. you know, i would say given the philosophy of some of my friends on this side of the aisle and that gm has had such success recently to assert that the government was running gm would probably create a feel that the government is either more competent than you think it is or gm is less competent than you think it is. i think those two assertions would be interesting. >> to my good friend i would say that, even congress, every american is pleased by the success of general motors. but that doesn't dismiss the fact that even today half of the board are -- approximately half of the board were selected by the administration to sit on the board that the taxpayers invested $50 billion in this company and there are all kind of incentives, tax breaks, et cetera, for people to purchase this product. those are the facts. >> he is correct about that. >> but th