he's taylor branch. this is "overheard." [applause]. >> actually, there are not two sides to every issue. >> so i guess we can't fire him now. i guess we can't fire him now. the night that i win the emmy. >> being on the supreme court was an improbable dream. >> it's hard work and it's controversial. >> without information there is no freedom and it's journalists who provide that information. >> window rolls down and this guy says, hey, he goes to 11:00. [laughter]. >> taylor branch, welcome. nice to see you. >> thank you. nice to be back. >> appreciate you being back. so, here we sit 50-odd years from the voting rights act, from selma, from the assassination of dr. king. we have an african american president, which is a sign of progress in this country itself. we've gone from we shall overcome to hands up, don't shoot. to black lives matter to i can't breathe. >> yes. >> how far have we really come, in your estimation, as the preeminent historian of the civil rights era? pronounce wisdom on what we're looking at today. [lau

. >> rose: taylor branch says the ncaa should be compared to a plan taition. >> i know that was a powerful statement. but i tell you somebody else without said the same thing, and this is unbelievable. walter byers said it. he is the man who made the ncaa poker withful from 1951 to 1986. and then he turned against it. and he wrote a memoire in which he did overtly compare the ncaa to a plan taition and made a lot of the same recommendations that people like me and taylor branch are making now. including pay them. >> rose: that say great story. >> well. >> rose: why did he change his mind and say the thing i created is. >> well, i-- so i believe he was the power mad guy. okay. and here is what i think. he was in his 90s when i was working on this book. and i tried like crazy to get him to see me in an interview. i even went through his son. he with not talk to me. this was the only question i what wanted to ask him. why did you change your mind? and he wouldn't answer it. >> my theory. >> rose: what did his son say. >> his son wouldn't tell me either. >> he didn't do swol on this. >> no, i

charlie: taylor branch says the incident should be impaired compared to a plantation.oe: i will tell you something illegal. walter byers said it. he may be ncaa powerful from 1961 to 1986 and then turned against them and wrote a memoir in which she did lee overtly -- in which he did overtly compare the ncaa to a plantation. charlie: that is a great story. why did he change his mind and said, the thing i created is -- joe: i believe he was the power-mad guy. he was in his 90's when i was working on this book and i tried like crazy to get an interview. he would not talk to me. this is the only question i wanted to ask him. why did you change your mind? he would not answer. my theory -- charlie: what did his son say? joe: he wouldn't tell me, either. charlie: you did not do so well. joe: i completely failed on this coming you are right. court in 1984 supreme theng that took away television rights and give it to the schools. you could only be on twice a year, and only make so much money, so one. charlie: whatever is on tv, we get a piece of it. joe: basically half of byers

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