act, not the tcpa, the focus of the court's action in the most recent decision. so, in terms of putting folks like adrian abramovich out of business, the court's decision doesn't really affect our work to enforce the spoofing laws. even the decision on, when we assigned for violating the tcpa -for-the illegal robocalls. those robocalls included a prerecorded voice message. so under the tcpa, the auto dialer issue that was the key focus of the decision, doesn't really enter into that. so, we feel confident that we will continue to bring cases against the adrian abramoviches of the world, especially when those mass spoofrs -- or, sorry, the mass robocallers are engaging in spoofing, which violates a completely separate statute. you will see more from us, even after this aca decision. >> great. thank you. turning to possible solutions to overcoming the challenges the folks on the panel mentioned. with changes on the law whether that be helpful to you to try to deal with unlawful robocalls? i'd be interested in hearing from any of the panelists think there are change

there is a huge number of illegal robocalls and that triggers the tcpa and the illegal robocallers, the worst of the worst, the ones that are out there trying to defraud consumers use spoofing as a way to hide from law enforcement, to hide from consumers, finding out who they are and exercising their right to pursue legal remedies in court on the consumer level and hide from our carriers. our carrier allies that are trying to locate these guys and block them. so the fcc -- it's very important for us that we exercise both of those laws to the fullest extent. those are the tools that we have to take down illegal robocalls and that's pretty much what i do 24/7 when we're looking at cases that we take. that's our tool box. >> thank you. >> so i also work a lot on the telephone consumer act more on the policy implementation perspective and what folks may not know is robocall is a term of art under the fcc's rules and just say at the beginning not all robocalls are bad and there are consumers that they want to get to express their consent and nevertheless, the tcpa and the commission's rules