i don't know we've seen a couple of tea partiers but it's going to fight and you know mostly them getting somewhat of an ironic reaction from all of the people the thousands of people that are protesting against walker these couple of hundred or maybe even a dozen tea partiers that are left here on the ground are not really being taken seriously at all at this point so and it's actually interesting there was a sign into the entrance of the capitol building that says no arms allowed and we were told that that sign was put up when the tea partiers showed up into the protest and not before so it's not something that was sort of you know not taken seriously here on the grounds of their presence here whatsoever and lastly do you have any details because someone reported earlier today that i pro-union web site was actually shut down inside the capitol building of course everyone screaming censorship what do we know about that we have been hearing some reports about that the web site is a pro-union web site it's called defend it was constant dot org and some of the protests were saying earlier t

saturday there was probably seventy thousand people all together and as you said the tea partiers made up a very small minority of that it was also the first time that police officers around the capitol had to actually fence off an area specifically for the tea partiers as for conflict there weren't any arrests according to the madison police department but there was duffy some vocal scuffles between the two opposing sides now i know that you know there's been some bad weather perhaps not a hundred thousand people came out like they were planning for today a lot of people had to go into the capitol building but what's what's the mood like in general does it feel like these protesters and the crowds are beginning to wane and break off a little bit. well i would say that it definitely was picking up throughout the entire last week but with the bad weather that started sunday i know a lot of the protests and rallies that were supposed to be held outside of now i have to move inside the capitol building it's sort of fuels like people are slowing down but i wouldn't i wouldn't say that righ

make it a permanent part of our lives and i think that you know it's so important to have the tea partiers to have you know certain democrats stand up and talk about civil liberties but is there anything other than the patriot act that maybe down the line civil liberties wise we might civil liberties we might see them collaborating on this here next year yes and i would say criminal justice reform our own radley balko is probably the best journalist in the country covering this stuff are for thirty years only agree with you on the many years the drug war and just this sort of war on everybody that we've seen the criminal justice has been just a travesty and we've militarized our police system and they're starting to be the heritage foundation has begun even a kind of anti criminal justice expansion project over there so there's been significant steps always among libertarians in the beginning among conservatives on the right to talk about the fact that we're you know we're executing innocent people at this point it's pretty clear we allowed cops to have and not just cause of prosecutors to

the conservative movement was very angry that they lost the election and you know and all these tea partiers you know you didn't hear anything during the bush administration right there was a dispute uprising against bush is increased spending who increased the size of government who actually got us into two wars in the middle east and even inch introduced torture to the lexicon of american thought but when you have really strict propaganda outlets masquerading as media then funneled and paid for with coke rather money you know it's very easy to sort of paint progressive's and paint obama as this evil person who's who's just you know collapse the whole economy and you know it's very interesting is that if you talk to a lot of tea party people they will tell you that president bush wasn't the one who acted the tarp funding it was they don't even believe that the whole financial meltdown hit you know have been trying to do two thousand and eight election and it has a lot to do with again this does hatred to to liberals and to progressive thinking and and it's easily traced but what the koch br

the tea partiers said he was a betrayer. >> frank: yes. >> stahl: everything came down on his head.e voted for this bill in the end. >> frank: frankly, my guess is that, in massachusetts, that's the kind of attack that politicians welcome. because you had a fairly shrill group attacking you on something that you did that was very popular, and you don't mind getting that attention. >> stahl: it's true that brown's independence is paying off back home. polls rank him the most popular politician in the state. and in washington, he's a fascination. at 51, a youngster in senate terms, he's probably the only member who competes in triathlons and half-iron mans. he may look a little like the actor richard gere, but his dismal childhood was more like david copperfield's. how many moves did you make? how many different houses when you were growing up? >> brown: within the first 18 years, it was 17 different moves, 12 separate houses. and that doesn't count the times i ran away. >> stahl: right. so where are we? >> brown: yeah, we're actually at... on avon street, the first house. >> stahl: b

created the crisis are experiencing record profits and the argument of all these right wingers and tea partiers around the country is their argument is in support of those multimillionaires and billionaires who contribute absolutely nothing and michael snyder the founder of the economic collapse blog believes that banks profiting from food stamps widens the gap between rich and poor. it's really just all there to here's j.p. morgan they receive these huge bail outs from the u.s. so they get back on their feet but then they're making be sued you crawl up to the suffering of the american people you know as we've seen the number of americans on food stamps has increased from twenty six million back in two thousand and seven to all of forty three point six million today so we would see it and the americans that dog food stamps the more money to j.p. morgan maybe there is no incentive for j.p. morgan help people get off of the food stamps no goals should be used to reduce the number or reduce the dependency of government but instead j.p. morgan what they want is to increase the number of customers b

created the crisis are experiencing record profits and the argument of all these right wingers and tea partiers around the country is their argument is in support of those multimillionaires and billionaires who contribute absolutely nothing. japan's chief cabinet secretary yukio edano is going to view russia's lesser creel change from an airplane it comes after recent visits by russian officials to the islands which tokyo claims earlier russia said it would not tolerate japan's radical approach towards the territories and announced reequipping creels military garrisons however it seems that other parties are interfering in the dispute and for more we're joined in the studio by surrogates from russia's commerce newspaper thanks for being with us now the interview and we're talking about is washington it's underlined its position over the last or karylle change saying that it believes the territory belongs to japan why is washington getting involved in this conflict i think you should this question in state department but. i personally think that what we witness now with this is just the he camp

created the crisis are experiencing record profits and the argument of all these right wingers and tea partiers around the country is their argument is in support of those multimillionaires and billionaires who contribute absolutely nothing. seventeen minutes past the hour let's take a look at some other major headlines from around the world a suicide car bombing in the eastern afghan city of course has killed at least eleven people including twelve two police i should say and wounded thirty others the incident took place at a roadside checkpoint believe say they grew suspicious of the bomber and opened fire prompting him to detonate his explosives officials i blame the taliban who frequently target security checkpoints. there's been a second day of violence in southeastern turkey after riots marked the twelfth anniversary of the capture of a prominent kurdish rebel leader protestors for old stones and petrol bombs at police in the city of jarba cure who responded with tear gas and water cannons several people were arrested the protesters accused security forces of being too heavy handed during

being forced to fight the budget battle on two fronts-- against democrats who want to cut less and tea partiers who want to cut more. in the house, 87 freshmen republicans got elected only after pledging to slash the budget by $100 billion. so it didn't go over big last week when republican leader john boehner proposed just $74 billion in cuts. fiscal conservatives took him to the wood shed. >> we just had a very active debate. >> reporter: under pressure in what passes for lightning speed on capitol hill, republican leadership carved bigger savings doubling cuts to the e.p.a. totaling $3 billion, adding $5.7 billion in new cuts to pell education grants. and making deeper cuts in foreign aid, more than $11 billion, all to come up with a magical number of $100 billion. republicans are also taking their first crack at using the budget to undercut health care reform. they don't plan to give the i.r.s. what it needs to enforce certain health care requirements. the chairman of the joint chiefs declared the soaring debt the biggest threat to national security. today, secretary of state hillary clinto

going out to be sacred cows well we've already heard a lot of complaints from republicans from tea partiers that obama didn't go far enough here of course there are going to be a lot of unhappy democrats that don't want to see some of these community service programs have cuts in them so where do we actually expect it to go politically. i don't know i think it's a pretty big wildcard to be honest i'm not sure how this is going to end up politically i mean i suspect that bill probably will be able to get some kind of compromise the cuts this year are going to have to be deeper than what's proposed right now simply because this budget cannot pass the republican controlled house. so it'll be a bit deeper and they'll probably be a look the more brutal on terms of the discretionary stuff in terms of the assistant to the poor in terms of the biggest of those defend discretionary spending i think they'll be able to come up with something that satisfies both parties which will basically end up being no cuts i just don't see either side really having the political will to to attack the big ones but

you know a bit of a divide a bit of a split within the conservative movement right now come in tea partiers come in again people like ron paul and we're seeing social issues really become front and center we're seeing a lot of people that even decided to bail on coming to see impact because go proud to be there. i mean that is true that there are some people who have decided to boycott see pack over go proud presence full disclosure i'm on their advisory council for the realistic realistic point that needs to be made though is that a number of the people who are engaged in a boycott were not in fact there last year some people who are going to have other issues that they have presented so i think you know really you're looking at a much much more mixed bag than what it might appear on the face of it and also you know i think that is something that has been shown to be fairly unmitigated disaster in many regards i mean pale and came out and said i'm not skipping see peckover go proud right i mean that's that's why definitive in terms of how the biggest name in the republican party is thinkin

host: ron on our line for tea partiers at a pontiac, ill..aller: alan like to make a broad historical note -- i would like to make a broad historical or philosophic gone now. the french game in the 1820's. historians love to quote his book, "democracy in america o." one observation he made was that democracy in america would survive until the american people figured that if they wanted the american government to give them something, they needed to vote for it. we are there. we have some money handouts and bonuses given to the people by the government that we are really close to bankruptcy. c-span had someone on, i think, from the american enterprise group and he said countries that are getting into as bad of shape that we are and the only ones that succeeded in solving their fiscal problems did 85% spending cuts and 15% tax increases. host: we will leave it there. guest: we are on the verge of bankruptcy. who would ever think that america could not pay their debt? that is where we are. that is why this movement has bubbled of the way that it

so what i wanted to do was share with other tea partiers to find a way to freedom works, not just this is my money i should keep it, but i was raised a very poor, and so i know from experience that if you love poor people, the last thing that you need for the government to help them. communities and churches i feel have been kind of destroyed by intervention by the government. you know, we don't need to know our neighbors anymore, we don't need to be friends with people any longer because we kind of have this nanny state that will take care of us. but it's a layman's explanation how the monetary system works, what our debt looks like, how the regulations affect personal wealth, and what really is true prosperity. i believe there is a perception on both sides of the bottle. you have the kind of democratic side the believes all of our problems are with businesses. and on the republican side, i believe that all of our problems are with government. but i try to show is that our real problem is is what of corporatism, where the big businesses are actually going to the congress and asking th

now, the tea partiers are entering the fray. this is turning into ground zero in a battle that could be coming to your state capitol sometime soon. our barbara pinto is in madison, wisconsin, this morning. barbara, good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, dan. this was the loudest and the largest demonstration we've seen here all week. and some of those protesters are still camped out in the capitol overnight as the furious debate over solving this state's budget battle drags into day six. more than 50,000 protesters descended on the capitol. >> kill the bill, kill the bill! >> reporter: under the watchful eyes of hundreds of police, passions running high. most union workers angry at the governor's plan to slash their benefits and allow unions to only negotiate over wage, not pepgss or benefits. >> we're going to be working for minimum wage and no benefits. then everybody will be working for that. >> when do we want it? >> all: now. >> reporter: around the corner, a smaller but passionate crowd organized by the tea party.

am concerned about the tone of civic and civil discourse in this country and i think that the tea partiersare probably -- have more violent rhetoric but the liberal and progressive side has its own problem with this, and i can "u right now. frank rich, who get no calls americans who wouldn't take on the issue of torture at gitmo good germans who called john ashcraft the best goebbels of them all. krugman, who equated committed religious believers with islamic extremists, maureen dowd who equated the male domination of the catholic church the taliban, who said that because christian, the christian right would stand for stirring the push of administration that we really are in a theocracy. they are there is on the shootea anti-immigration or anti-illegal immigration law was met by linda greenhouse with an image that came out of nazi germany. so you know, i think that the "times" and the left have a lot to answer for too and maybe this is because of the internet. maybe people want to get more attention but i think that this subtracts from the gravitas and the credibility of these people by us

are there any tea partiers here snodgrass.cheers and applause] how many of you have ever been to maybe an organizing meeting or a rally? [cheers and applause] that's a wonderful thing. you know, you guys show and are really part of a really totally transforming the political landscape today and really making a significant impact. most recently, of course o, in the november elections. [cheers and applause] while this is very obvious to many of us here in the room, it's worth noting because it's no small feat, particularly with the cynicism and criticism the tea party has endured since day one. this is no doubt -- there's no doubt we made a significant impact on the political landscape but three contributions are worth highlighting to think about as we move forward. one, the tea party movement has brought more people into the political process. really by highlighting the dangers of a runaway big government bent on creating two classes of people. on the one hand, the wagon riders, those in the public employee unions, the politica

it is going to show up in bigger rallies, bigger tea partiers, a bigger turnout, greater involvement to keep their feet to the fire. this movement is going to continue. that is what gives an unconventional ,never having held office candidates like me a chance. the reason is simple. it goes back to paraphrasing the last line of the gettysburg address. because if i run for president because of the spirits of america and the spirit of my forefathers and the spirit of the founders and the spirit of your our fathers, and if i run and if you elect me your president, i would be a president of the people because i am regular folk just like you. i would be a president by the people because the professionals are not going to be let me. the people are. i would be a president or the people. you would never have me try to jam legislation down your throat that you did not need or want. that is what a president for the people would do. as the gipper reminded us about the spirit of america and the challenge that we have to leave this nation and this world a little bit better off for my granddaughter

yet you cannot step on the middle class and the poor and in this country, right now, apparently tea partiers. as far as spending goes, quick comment and then a question. spending is needed now. economists know this. there's no debate. what got us out of the depression, whether you give us credit for world war ii or new deal or combination of both was massive spending. but we're not going to recover if we have another recession, which is what we're headed for. look at the gdp. people talk about spending allegedly reducing the growth. and it did. cuts in spending i mean. host: do you think in today's political environment if the president put forth a stimulus plan that was several billion dollars congress would go along, democrats or republicans? guest: they're clueless on this. the real problem is not the spending. it's the recession. and we just barely got out of a depression that was pending. but could i make one -- my main comment. by the way, pentagon spending is the biggest portion of the budget that's not dedicated. and that is almost always a sacred part you can't touch. it's -- and ob

are there any tea partiers here today?[applause] [cheering] how many of you have ever been to medium organized a meeting or a rally? [cheering] that's a wonderful thing. when you guys are really part of a totally transformed of political landscape today really making a significant impact. most recently of course in the november election. [cheering] while this is very obvious to many of us here in the road it's worth noting because it is no small feat particularly with the cynicism and criticism the tea party has endured since day one. there's no doubt we've made a significant impact on the political landscape but three major i think are worth highlighting today and to think about as we move forward. one, the tea party movement has brought more people into the political process. really by highlighting the dangers and runaway government bent on creating the two classes of people, the one hand, the wagon writers, the public employee unions, the political class, the corporate welfare, and on the other hand, the wagon polders,

yet you cannot step on the middle class and the poor and in this country, right now, apparently tea partiers. as far as spending goes, quick comment and then a question. spending is needed now. economists know this. there's no debate. what got us out of the depression, whether you give us credit for world w ii or new deal or combination of both was massive spending. but we're not going to recover if we have another recession, which is what we're headed for. look at the gdp. people talk about spending allegedly reducing the growth. and it did. cuts in spending i mean. host: do you think in today's political environment if the president put forth a stimulus plan that was several billion dollars congress would go along, democrats or republicans? guest: they're clueless on this. the real problem is not the spending. it's the recession. and we just barely got out of a depression that was pending. but could i make one -- my main comment. by the way, pentagon spending is the biggest portion of the budget that's not dedicated. and that is almost always a sacred part you can't touch. it's -- and obam