after the tea party, the boycott movement starts to spread everywhere, and all of a sudden people areaying, well, we won't drink dutied tea anymore. how can we tell the difference? if so they say, okay, just to be certain, we won't have any tea. and actually two or three days before the boston tea party, lexington, massachusetts, had, you know, took all its tea to the town square and burned it. you know, and concord and charleston do some of the same things. so this then becomes the thing to do to enforce all over the country the idea of not importing british goods by 1774, but especially tea. and so there are other actions, but, you know, but often the boston tea party is definitely a kind of very dramatic event. that's a very good question. yeah, there are other dimensions to -- there are other tea parties that kind of happen elsewhere, but the boston tea party is the most dramatic early one in december of 1773. >> question this back. question in back. >> dr. carp, could you comment on the role that the green dragon tavern played in the story? >> yeah, the question is about the gree

one of the more amusing things about the boston tea party is the tide was out. it was 14 feet below high tide, so they throw the tea over the side of the ships, and it starts to clump up embarrassingly in the harbor, and they have to send a couple of apprentices in row boats to take their ores and break up -- oars and break up the piles of tea. so there were some young kids as well. i think i found about two-thirds of them were artisans or craftsmen of one kind or another. these were boss bostonians who d with their hands, a large part of them in the construction industry. but i also suspect a lot of them had spent at least some time at sea, and some of them might have been laborers who were used to doing this kind of dock work. i think a lot of them were the kind of men who were comfortable aboard ships, and i think that's important because they did a lot of hard work, and they did it very fast. i mean, 46 tons, it's still a lot to be hauling around. and then in terms of political experience, i don't know the percentage, but a lot of them had participated in one

i did not see a lot of dark skin at any of the tea party rallies. ack rally and several washington d.c.. i don't play the race card but i do have to say that when you look at the issues that the party raises, government spending, the president before barack obama who until that time rolled up the biggest budget deficit ever, presided over the largest expansion of federal government since lbj, has taken us into two worse and given the wealthiest people $2 trillion tax cut over ten years you can go on and on with the issues and the only difference between that president where you didn't hear a peep from this crowd and the current president is barack obama is the first black american president. i think that has something to do with it. that is all i am saying. [applause] >> race has been a fundamental fault line in our politics forever and you can't discount it but people have come a long way from brutal racism. the attempt to throw the race card in every debate ends up the meaning our conversation nationally. you need to deal with the role of race and

the reason i elude to that is because that's striving the tea party. here's a sense that politicians of both parties, and in this sense, john is absolutely right, both parties are missing the boat. it's not only extremism and extreme rhetoric, but it's the failure to solve problems, and if you look at the tea party and analyze what they stand for, it's really not so much what jon was talking about and there's leaders who reflect the sentiments of so-called wing nuts, but bottom line the tea party in vast, vast numbers and bulk of the leadership, will people with real concerns with the way government operates with federal spending and the dysfunction of washington and the absence of a balanced budget and a growing debt, and if you talk to them, they will tell you they got angry under george bush, and angrier still under president obama with the health care bill driving that sentiment. you obviously have a senator here and marco rubio but for the sentiments and tea party would be but an as risk on the political spectrum and in the country. i think it's im

>> the tea party is america's party. the tea party is the biggest winner of 2010. >> eleanor? >> i will single out one of the beneficiaries is marco rubio, the senator elect from florida who cuban-american young attractive charismatic, likely presidential material. >> say goodbye to the tea party. >> well, it is a question of who got on whose bandwagon. the ole real tea party person on this panel, i can attest to the fact that yes, the tea party was the biggest winner and this year they went from just being a movement to being plain stream america and bringing america back to constitutionally limited government, fiscal responsibility, and free markets. >> thanks for clarifying all of that. >> you're welcome. >> clarence, welcome. >> i was thinking tea party but john, i chose john bohner because he is a bigger winner than the tea party because he got to be speaker and didn't have to do much work to do it because the people did most of the work for him. >> the envelope, please, monica. >> here you go. >> thank you very much. >> that jacket, i'm blind. how am i going to make it t

i think he helps as understand the tea party. i think this surprises me and other people. progressive and populist movement on the left and right have gone to ways in the past. the president -- progressive movement was adored by the major political parties of the cane mainstream. -- and became mainstream. i think it is not at all clear whether tea party senators will choose to marginalize themselves in a similar way. they can embrace it in a way that will lead to the success that he calls for. >> let me follow up quickly. there might be, as opposed to judicial review, -- is that what you are saying? >> the best scenario for the tea party movement would be to continue to focus the energies of congress and not on the courts. i think it is a good thing. i love peoplehnjb let that says -- i love the pledge that says it must do it on which it rests. that is wonderful. people should read the constitution. she dismissed it as ridiculous that might have to be glib. i think the more constitutional discourse the better. this is a siren song. it -- as long as these arguments are thoug

meg whitman, $140, tons of money, linda mcmahon up in connecticut the tea party backer, senator jim demint, put all kind of members, tea partiers, who were beaten in november. could have taken over the senate and didn't. rhode island democrat frank capo running for governor up there who had this to say to president obama when president obama passed him over in favor of lynn shafey to pay off an old debt. here he is. >> i never asked for president obama's endorsement. he can take his endorsement and really shove it as far as i'm concerned. chris: well, there's a class act. and nancy pelosi for staying on as house democratic leader even after the party lost big. norah, worst move of the year? >> worst move was probably the millionaire thing but i love that so many women have so many millions to spend. the silver lining. we have known and history is replete with self-funders, candidates who don't end up winning. meg whitman takes the cake with $150 million of her own money. i think it says something, look, when you're running for off and you have to ask people for money to contribute to you,

and tea party thinking is. they're not going to cut this guy any quarter. no matter how much compromising. chris: it's a right wing party. and he has to win them over. and it's going to be -- they're going to have to make a decision somewhere dow the road about whether they want to retain their seats or play for the next presidency. chris: isn't the deal problem this, if you listen to the tea partiers, not the way liberals want to listen but actually listen to them, they don't talk about deficit reduction. or debt reduction. they talk about spending reduction. they don't want to hear about taxes going up as part of any deal. and isn't that the part's problem, norah? and he has -- his idea is he can't sell anything -- he can't sell anything to his party unless he includes some kind of revenue increase with the spending cuts. >> no doubt. and look, any expert, that's studied this as a republican or democrat, acknowledges they're -- there are going to have to be spending cuts but revenue increases. >> you're right. the focus is on spending. but what he's going

senate republican leader mitch mcconnell, possibly taking note of tea party anger over his compromise with the party on tax cuts and unemployment insurance is offering a shorter freeze to lock in spending through february, when the new republican house could draft a new spending bill without all those earmarks. 42 of which mcconnell himself inserted into the bill. since he was for the bill before he was against it. total cost, $113 million. john thune equally outraged. explaining his 28 earmarks worth 39 million to the national journal. quoting him. those were projects that were voted. those were projects that we -- i mean, i support those projects. but i don't support this bill. john mccain called on the carpet by economist magazine. the magazine pointed out they provide funding for valuable things like protecting life stock from disease. one anonymous house republican telling rollcall, they will find a way around their self-imposed earmark bill. build a better rat trap. you just get smarter rats. >>> senator reid thought that republicans would fall in line. coming out to defend pres

the tea party itself, let's remember, what was the tea party? the tea party ultimately resulted two and a half years later resulted in the very great declaration of principle in the declaration of independence, a war fought for principles and a constitution that embodied a new structure of republican government. on the other hand, the proximate cause of the tea party and the reason they threw the tea in the water was partly fiscal and self-government that the brits should not tax the colonists and it was part of a series -- well, i don't remember the history in great detail, but there was oppressive taxes or what they call that actually, i think they were called at the time by the colonists the oppressive taxes, and it was a practical, sort of rebellion against heavy-handed government that was burdening colonists in a way they didn't want to be burdened. i think the trick is turning let's say the fiscal complaint into a constitutional complaint. >> yeah. >> i think some of that is happening. i'm heartened to the driveway of which a lot -- of whi

anybody who believes that the tea party movement and i was taken out by a group called the tea party express' is going to go away is very mistaken. after a few more cycles, in this presidential year coming up, they will be real players in the republican party. they will be real players in the congressional and senate seats. incoming members of congress who are not necessarily tied into the tea party as i was not should be very cautious about how they deal with this. >> who has been seeking your advice? >> i have talked to a number of people. mentionedcessarily names. it is fairly self-evident. it is moderate republicans in both the house and senate who are getting ready to run in the next election cycle will have already been threatened by tea party group' and others are concerned about it. >> given that lisa murkowski was successful in her right to bid, it should you have done that? >> i gave a lot of thought to that. i decided not to do it. even though i did not like it and it was not a majority of the republican party that turned out to vote, the party had spoken to a degree and t

tea party justice. it is significant that to learn that professor codevilla had not learned of them. i read about him in the new york times. because additional source cited at the party rallies is the one they weighed on the mall when they marched at tea party rallies. his views are the most consistent with the tea party leadership.; stella says most federal regulatory systems are unconstitutional -- scalia says most federal regulatory systems are unconstitutional. he argues that the 16th and 17th amendments should be repealed. he says that social security is a form of unconstitutional wealth redistribution. the founders only authorized the government to protect equal rights. there is substantively a great overlap between much of this khalil's decisions and the decision that professor codevilla get endorses. it would lead to a radical increase in judicial activism, striking down most of the regulatory state. it is something no one on the court, except for justice thomas, what to entertain. the tea party

>> look this is a group of elitists, this is not a pop los grass movement, like the tea party movement where you get millions of people out there. >> you ran for president three times, and you had the reform party, and you crashed that to the ground. we hen't hearfrom that again, right? i would think that the no labels idea would appeal to you. you want a third party in the united states? >> the populous party would sink the republicans. they should get together. populous liberal party will sink the democrats but both of those are grass roots movement. with due respect to mr. bloomberg, he's top down all the way. >> i think this group, they're looking at the success of the tea party, and the tea party was a populist movement but it was also encouraged by a lot of corporate types, dick army, former republican leader. sought wasn't entirely grass roots. and i think they're hoping, through the internet, that they can play on the frustration of people in both parties with the political process. they have a lot of money, but it strikes me that they're probably not going to go very far. >> t

ever been to a tea party rally?ave never been to a tea party rally, but i have a long history in texas. it's a large and unique country with strange customs. i've had family live there, some of my best friends are from there. i was even a precinct captain for the obama campaign in dallas. and i visit every year. i'm really going to miss it. >> have they changed the textbooks ten times in your experience with texas, or 25? because rewriting history to fit the tea party's version has been kind of an institution lately. i imagine now that the revision of the history might now increase. >> it's hard to imagine it getting much worse. there's been an extreme right-wing takeover of the curriculum down there, and that affects what happens to the textbooks in the rest of america. it's a big deal for the entire country, not just texas. we're talking about stripping civil rights, reducing women's history. taking evolution out. and when you start messing with science, things get a little tricky, because i kind of feel like that

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there was this thing called the tea party. the republicans won 63 seats in the house, they picked up several seats in the senate, and a lot of the election was about, congress shouldn't do this. shouldn't just take big bills and say, here, vote on it. load it up with earmarks. why? >> well, look, the senate -- the question, the bigger question is, why didn't congress pass any of the 12 appropriations bills that they are required to do by law? this is their basic job, congress, funding the government, they didn't do any of them. and that's why they are all wrapped up in this particular bill. senate democrats say, look, we want to do this the right way. they're doing it with hours left in the session, but they say they're at least trying. and republicans are saying, excuse me, to your point, this is exactly what we voted on. but let me just tell you, this bill, the spending bill they're trying to put forward is only $15 billion above the spending levels that we're at right now, which is what republicans want to continue. so the

we should get a bit more to the tea party. the tea party itself has issued memoranda or documents. whether they declare and it supersedes those issues to be? >> guest: i i not only save the tea party is issued -- >> host: the fight point onward -- >> guest: it's even hard to define do with any because it is not the club. one out of four or one out of five say the tea party movement. the things that unite them: fiscal policy issues. >> host: number one you mentioned first fiscal policy. >> guest: in the sense nobody is listening to them. >> guest: and i would go back to fiscal policy and say they believe there is perfect to lead a corrupt alliance between the two parties in washington to spend and tax more than they believe it's prudent. and when people say the tea parties are moving, what they really are our anti-keynesian. they are traditional balanced budget, when the government the way i run my household. i don't want to. i don't want to got to say. i don't want excessive spending. i do want social programs if we can't afford it, but if we can i. don't want to pursue it and i'd

on the political front, religious conservatives appeared to be re-energized by the tea party movement and its campaign for limited government. although the focus of the midterm elections was on economics, many religious right activists were hopeful a new republican majority in the house of representatives will provide momentum for their social agenda. on the other side of the aisle, democrats were criticized for failing to reach out more to religious voters. many faith-based moderates and liberals were disappointed that president obama did not employ more religious rhetoric when he discussed issues like health care and the economy. and according to one survey, growing numbers of americans, nearly one in five, believe incorrectly that president obama is a muslim. issues surrounding homosexuality continued to pose difficult challenges for many in the religious community. faith groups were on both sides of the issue as congress debated lifting don't ask don't tell, the 17-year-old ban on gays serving openly in the military. >> husband and husband. >> they also filed briefs on both sides

no tea party march on washington. i was amazed. the tea party claimed to be pop list poplist. looks to me like they're pawns for the republican establishments. joining me is radio talk show host heidi harris. good to have you with us tonight. >> thanks. >> you and me one-on-one. be an honest broker. >> okay. >> where are all of those tea partyers who were in nevada working over harry reid saying he's absolutely seen the worst spending we've ever seen in this country's spending with the stimulus package that wasn't working? i mean, not a word. what about that, heidi? >> you think they'd be more upset. part of the problem is, first of all maybe the tea party isn't as organized as they were in november. people are still upset. here's the second thing. the details of the tax package keep trickling through. nobody knows what it's going to be. it's parent of the issue. >> it is part of the issue. it seems to me the tea party, as much media coverage as they got, as much as they can garnish the camera time from any righty in this country, as much the fact they were all over every righ

from tea party supporters? caller: i think there will be, yes. host: what should happen? caller: i am not sure what will happen but host: you mentioned earlier senator mitch mcconnell should resign or he might be voted out. caller: yes, on the extension of the 13 months of unemployment -- host: ok. caller: he did not have it paid for. host: in your opinion, these ethanol subsidies cannot rise to the same level as the extension of the unemployment benefits? caller: not on this particular bill. a bill of to be a stand-alone bill without all of the add ons. host: sanford, florida. allen is a democrat. caller: how are you? host: doing well. what do you think of the question? caller: i did not think you necessarily have to. going back to what you talked about, the senate during the time of lyndon johnson when you could peel off moderate republicans and conservative democrats sometimes defected from in him. part of the problem, the way the party is working out, only the extreme and the party's vote, it is in the part

should the tea party caucus and the tea party movement should they be happy with this or not? >> i want happy with it. and i voted no on the tax bill as well. it continues deficit spending. spending that we can't pay for. a clear message we got from the voters in november. even more than that, i'm worried because it blows a hole wide open in the social security trust fun of 111 billion dollars. i think president obama -- president obama will call for tax increases shortly to be able to pay for that. i think what he may down is call to live the cap on earnings subject to payroll taxes. i think he may call for employers to pick up the 2% share that employees won't be paying. because the way we fund social security today is in real-time. it is all of our paychecks the payroll tax comes out, it goes into the social security trust fund and essentially it goes right out the door to pay when we lower that amount, that is going into social security by 111 billion dollars, people are still depending on those checks. we have to pay them. so we have to have some means to do it. i think t

the tea party people are now expected republicans to produce. if the republicans don't, if they break their word a second time, i think the tea party could in fact split off and i think the republicans could be back out on their ear very quickly. that would result in a different fate for the tea party going forward. >> we were talking before about the new members arrived in washington this week. the tea party members who are coming here are full of idealism from winning their elections and have lots of enthusiasm. what do you see as the potential for their reaction to the gop leadership in the house? what are the promises and pitfalls if you are a tea party newly of that crop -- elected member of congress? >> you have to be a realist about what can get done. i think you have to make sure that the people at home understand they are only one body. they are only the house. the rack -- their reaction to the leadership is kind of like the reaction of the people to them. their view is that leadership is on probation like the nation views the whole rep

tea party justice. it is significant that to learn that professor codevilla had not learned of them. i read about him in the new york times. because additional source cited at the party rallies is the one they weighed on the mall when they marched at tea party rallies. his views are the most consistent with the tea party leadership.; stella says most federal regulatory systems are unconstitutional -- scalia says most federal regulatory systems are unconstitutional. he argues that the 16th and 17th amdments should be repealed. he says that social security is a form of unconstitutional wealth redistribution. the founders only authorized the government to protect equal rights. there is substantively a great overlap between much of this khalil's decisions and the decision that professor codevilla get endorses. it would lead to a radical increase in judicial activism, striking down most of the regulatory state. it is something none on the court, except for justice thomas, what to entertain. the tea party is a

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and skung at the tea party a new stimulus bill. the old gop guard is running committees right now. too much compromising with democrats tea partiers say and they're ready to quote rod stewart to republican leaders, i know i keep you amused, but i feel like i'm being used. finally, he won't admit it, but another republican was for something before he was against it. we start with two house democrats. u.s. congressman of massachusetts and of pennsylvania. thank you, gentlemen, for joining us. two of my favorite congressmen. the old eighth in massachusetts once held by james michael curly, then jack kennedy, then tip o'neal and now, you, sir. are you in that tradition of being the big liberal in the house? >> i don't know about that. i'm a fiscal conservative because i think we should pay our bills. >> and you think what should happen tonight as the evening grows long? what do you think the democrats ought to do? finally relent? go with the president or hang out a little more? >>. >> i've assumed the president will get what he wants, but not with my vote. it's too big. too untargeted a

, that was one of the chief criticisms coming out of the tea party, of the party apparatus itself, in 2010. secondly, probably more importantly, there are nearly two dozen states in the country that allow for a petition-based ballot initiative and referendum to be put on the ballot. what i propose is that we, at the rnc, leading a campaign to put referenda on the ballot to repeal obamacare. what that does is prepares us for 2012 from a turnup perspective. in 2011, it gives some constructive positive place for all of the energy that exists in the grass roots and in the tea party for conservative change someplace to go. it gives it something to do so that we're not talking about personalities. we're not simply sitting on the sidelines while the presidential nominating contests is going on. we are preparing shared mission and shared principles to do something before the country as well. those are the kinds of things that the next rnc chairman can do. >> michael steele is one of those personalities. let me conclude with this question. why is he not suited to be rnc chairman for two more y

l hasheisten to the way that bill clinton talked about the tea party last fall. he says i have to understand why you're angry. chris: before we break, there was a great moment earlier this week on "morning joe." they had richard dreyfuss the great actor on who was promoting civic education in this country. there he was back in 1978 working for equal rights, the e.r.a. amendment with like minded lauren bacall and marlow thomas. when he was on "morning joe" this week, richard dreyfuss, it was the odd couple. pat buchanan was on the show that day and he told the story when richard came to see him in the reagan white house back in 1986. >> he was coming into see me. we're going to talk about the constitution and just before he came in, don reagan came into my office and said we're bombing libya tonight. ollie north's speech, he wrote it. the president wants you to rewrite it and duddy kravitz came into see me and we couldn't get him out of miss office. we called the second and called the president to get him out of my office to his so i could write my speech. >> we w

group called tea party nation and here is he is interviewed on the radio. only fathers originally they put certain restrictions on who got the right to vote you were just that when you automatically got to vote you know some of the restrictions. we're you know you are obviously would not think about today but one of them was you had to be a property owner and that makes a lot of sense because if you are if you're a property owner you actually have a vested stake in the community and if you're not a property owner. you know our i'm sorry but the property owners have a little bit more of a vested stake in the community than our property owners do yeah as i've been warning on this show the objective of the banks is me feudalism they don't believe anyone should have property except them that is indentured servitude and the the tea party remember it's not a political movement it's a bowel movement. well of course many of those unemployed americans are now losing their homes of course so they'll be they'll be joining the red man and their brother the what i call

was it a one-campaign wonder and by 2012 they won't have as much legs for the tea party.ying i was for them before they were against them. we have heard it before. we don't know how it will play out until as the new congress gets here. >> well, there is conflicted messages here as you point out. well, i put my earmarks in, but that was before i was told not to put my earmarks in. okay. what do you believe? do you want the earmarks or don't you want the earmarks? this is starting to play out in the presidential, already, too, because on the tax cut bill, there is a question of, okay, $858 billion and you have a lot of republican presidential wannabes out there, and mitt romney and sarah palin and to name two saying, okay, we're against this bill, and then you have john thune who is a member of the united states senate saying, you know what, we had to deal and we had to get it. that is going to be set up for 2012. >> well, remember, what looks potent now might not necessarily be potent two years from now. i bring you the iraq debate in hillary clinton who, we all said, she

the tea party movement spawned from anger at the federal government for bailing out wall street after the economy collapsed turned into something else entirely over this last year it turned into a swelling call for change in washington for a return to this nation's fundamental values and it turned into an easy group to prey on it was co-opted not only by republican politicians but also by media personalities glenn beck being the prime example now claiming that he had no political intentions that called on americans to join him on the national mall for a rally but this specific date that he chose happened to be the anniversary of dr martin luther king jr is i have a dream speech and that led to many comparisons and contradictions when it comes to how we remember history and how we define those words leader and civil rights. now glenn beck claims that when the day was originally chosen for his restore honor rally he wasn't aware that this was the anniversary of i have a dream speech he has since however embraced the date and said that it is divine providence and as in his words appropri

will the tea party and the gop clash?you to lay out for me, sharpen the issue, what's the difference between someone who cares about how government is run and someone what's inside it? it seems to me one of the people inside it, one of their differences is they want to stay inside and they think it helps them pack their bills up with pork. >> the two are not mutually exclusive, but you're right -- and that's kind of what has happened now. and americans have finally gotten tired of it. they're finally saying no, and they're finally saying, hey, you can work inside the system if you want, provided you listen to us. and if you don't, we'll just do like they do at wrigley field and you're out of here. >> i'm older than you, but we grew up thinking that a congress person, r & d likes to write those quarterly updates. these little do dads go on the front page of their newsletters. do i want to claim particular bennys that they brought from home? >> where politicians got the message, do not spend anymore money. and every republi

we've actually reached out to a number of tea party groups to inform them and we're inviting tea party activists to be a part of this debate to send in questions, tickets and what have you. it will be talked about by a lot of people muching like the youtube debates that we've had in the past and we're happy to be partnering up with the tea party movement. i've been covering it for a while now. >> we don't have participants yet, but by then we will and it will be a good debate. shannon, thanks for that. >> no problem. >>> you're getting the new year's resolutions, going to the gym. >> what should you invest in next year? we'll take a look in just a minute. >>> to all of you, the end of the year means, you know, christmas and holidays and things like that. to me, it means checking your portfolio. with all of this talk pt economy not doing so well i need to show you how different types of stocks did this year. bottom line, the stock market did very well in 2009 and it's doing very well now. what should you invest in? before i tell you, let's back up a second. let me show you a chart of ho

found out that somebody else out there shared our views and got us thinking how could we show the tea party just how much we don't like them and then it came to me how about a video showing how i would handle all those tea baggers jokingly of course. the tea party we talked about them posted interviews about them and with them and we feel them just did a little bit on this show you know this show has no. long live calling them out for their contradictory views it looks like someone else out there who agrees with us the agenda project has started a campaign called f t a way to say that normal americans won't put up with that radical group anymore well i thought their campaign was a great way to put those tea baggers in their place but i gotta admit it was me i'd probably take a much more aggressive approach. with the baggers. do you. really. so clearly after we aired that video we thought that while we could make fun of the tea partiers but apparently many of them are completely a lacking when it comes to a sense of humor and distinguishing a joke from reality and in fact we got so much hate

, the tea party movement. there are 82 some new members in the house of representatives, many of them tea party members. they don't really trust boehner, for example. they don't view him as a natural ally. >> brown: testing him. >> i think that a problem for the republican leadership as they approach things like the debt ceiling increase which the government needs to do but the tea party may not support. so i think there are tensions within that coalition that would be very interesting the way they play out. >> brown: what do you see. >> a deal maker with a bunch of guys behind him and women with guns saying don't you dare make those deals. i think it's going to be fascinating to see how he deals with what. the republicans seem to want, in the house and again they can pass a lot of stuff and it will never go anywhere. so they are in a position of passing a lot of bills with the full knowledge they will be killed in the senate or vetoed by obama. but they will be sending a signal about who rep crans are, and wh

the tea party didn't like this.he says advocating for the deal, he doesn't have a vote and he doesn't have to vote. he's able to write op-ed piece like that. >> he didn't like this. every poll says large majority is included and other is tea party conservative. >> you saw jim demint talk against it. republicans thought there could have been a better deal ter january. that's what romney -- >> chris: with respect to both of you we have one of mitt romney's former -- >> the resident experts. >> chris: yes, the resident expert, top advisor. does mitt romney, are you saying that mitt romney were in the senate he would have voted against the bill and would have let the bush tax cuts lapse? >> be critical here. this is the difference of being pragmatist and when you have to vote and being outside the office and look at a pure approach. that's one of the things that senator thune made clear. would you want to be a senator up there the deciding vote to let it stay in place and everybody gets a tax hike on january 1? no. as f

spending. >> we can't afford it, that's exactly what it is. >> no it's not spending. >> and if the tea partyieve in anything they ought to be marked massed tonight in front capitol protesting this. >> what tea parents believe in is smaller government. the best way to shrink government is to shrink the amount of money that government takes out of the private sector and that's exactly what's happening with in deal. >> $900 billion, michael. $900 billion. you know as well as i do, they were really squawking about the government spending. >> exactly. >> they said that government was running away with it. if this doesn't work, mike, we may have to fault. i mean this is -- if this doesn't work, this is a bad deal for america. >> it's wonderful to hear you taking the deficit seriously. see, this is the point. >> oh get out of here. >> you have both sides of the democratic party, both sides of the democratic party, each one is taking a republican -- >> gentlemen, quickly, i have to get on this right-wing judge. >> go for it. >> they are saying that right-wing judge ruled today in virginia, upheld th

i think there is something to mention about the tea party. we don't know whether or not the tea party is a movement or a moment. a could be just a moment. we have had these moments in u.s. history before. we had a moment in 1898 when we had a movement to get rid of a chinese immigration in the united states with the american working party. we had it with the coup coquelin in the 1920's. then again -- we had it with klan in the 1920's.lux >> jeff, we are inclined to think that everything is changed by politics. much more has been changed by technology then it has by politics. what were the big technological things? >> wikileaks. that crystallizes not just technological developments but also developments in journalism and in government foreign policy. no. 2 i think is social networking with the real transformation of commerce, not just young people chatting with each other and sharing facebook profiles, but actually commerce, like groupon, the fastest- growing company ever. they turned down an offer to be $6 billion by google. >> you did not st

alaska tea party joe miller remains firmly in denial.ng way from the river, nile. 27 days and counting, tonights "big number." >>> up next, michael steele stunned republicans last night when he announced, yes, he's running again for party chair. after the record of success he's had, be honest, look at the numbers. why shouldn't he stay on the job? cameras were rolling when a gunman burst into a school board meeting in florida and we're warning you the next video is dramatic. the gunman began making threats and opening fire without hitting anybody fortunately. school safety officer returned fire, wounding the gunman who then turned his own gun on himself. >>> a tornado tore right through the center of a small town in marion county, oregon. there's a lot of damage on the ground. >>> in london wikileaks founder julian assange is jail. lawyers challenge a judge eegs order to release him on $300,000 bail. >>> protesters clashed with police in italy. prime minister sylvia berlusconi far far lowly survived a confidence vote. back to "hardball."