, "tea party: three principles." you make the point that the tea party is not a party, it is a movement. what's the what is the distinction? sense that it has no interest in anointing some sort of central leader. it really is a movement that's defined by what i talk about in the book, three very clear, very old constitutional principles. so you've noticed that the tea party, you know, through the november 2010 elections and continuing to today has been sort of ruthless about throwing its support behind candidates who espouse these principles, and they don't really care much whether those candidates have an r or d after their name, and they certainly don't seem to care that they might be well-entrenched, well-funded incumbent republicans. all they care about is getting their principles embraced by our politicians. >> host: and, in fact, the -- you say the media makes a mistake by thinking that the tea party is nonexistent in this cycle, that because we don't see an organized movement that, in fact, their influence is

i mean, the tea partiers around charlottesville referred to the christian conservative parties around lynchburg and very disdainful ways. and elite from central virginia told me that the tea partiers up in fairfax and alexandria were a bunch of winos. so, you know, they have got an internal geography about themselves, much as you might find on the liberal left about the first different strands. >> i'm just curious, what percentage of the people which is actually joined the groups versus were of the tea party rouse themselves with the reason i ask that is i've been a tea party member probably since the beginning of a lot of things are conveying are not, would not have been my experience at the rallies, yet i don't join a group and maybe the reason people aren't in groups, they are raising kids, they are busy. the older people have the time to join. i would just like your perspective on that because i think we're more concerned, leaves the rallies i went to about fiscal responsibility, and it just as angry. those are the two things that i call -- >> there's no question that they're angr

minted republican tea party candidate for senate in indiana richard murdock, and tea party statesman, south carolina's senator jim demint. we have them both. and also this evening, ceos slam tim geithner to boost growth by not raising the dividends or the capital gains tax. they slam him. we'll debate him. >>> and you know what, stocks volatile on the downside today. i still think it's a slowing u.s. economy to blame, not greece. >>> but first up, a hastily arranged interview with abc news comes out in support of same-sex marriage. john harwood got the full story. all right, john. good evening. what you got? >> good evening, larry. that's political bombshell that the aides said was going to come out eventually, but was expedited, so today under pressure, the president in an interview with abc became the first president the say he was in favor of legalizing gay marriage. >> at a person point, i've just concluded that for me personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that i think same-sex couples should be able to get married. >> remarkable to think how fast public opini

nobody heard of the tea party in 2009. two years later, they were bringing the country to the brink of bankruptcy because of their radical views. you saw a republican senator from indiana losing in the primary to a tea party guide to weeks ago. the tea party guys said, the era of confrontation has begun. he went on to say that his idea of being successful in washington was to get democrats to agree to this position. that shows such ignorant about the country. we would not have a constitution unless we had compromised. they do not want to compromise. on the other hand, you have occupy. they called attention to a very important issue -- income inequality. they had a great slogan and a work -- they had a great slogan. they chose not to get involved in congressional races. they chose not to have a specific objectives. they have less impact than the tea party on the system. with that said, tea party was financed by some very wealthy people who can do that under the current law. occupy had not a lot of money. they had a lot of g

tea party is about economics.ut anything on -- >> kimberly: people are misinformed. we're going to focus on the rest of her tweet really fast and he is said they care nothing about the poor, old, sick, hungry, children and people striveing for a better life. >> dana: she has serious capitalization problem. freddie chopping up too many -- >> greg: she is chopping up too many lines using her aarp card. >> bob: you can fete really good blow for discount. >> greg: really? >> bob: specials. >> kimberly: we have to go. coming up, what is the real story on senate hopeful elizabeth warren and her indian an necessary tri? was one of her ancestors involved in a big atrosety committed against native americans? greg is going to sort it out. [ male announcer ] what if you had thermal night-vision goggles, like in a special ops mission? you'd spot movement, gather intelligence with minimal collateral damage. but rather than neutralizing enemies in their sleep, you'd be targeting stocks to trade. well, that's what trade architec

and yet they talk about the death of the tea party. the tea party is a nonfactor.about the detect of the tea party, all because they don't see it except on election day. and then they see it, and then they hear it, and then they start cursing. the tea party started as a protest movement and, of course, you can't miss a protest movement. people showing up at town hall meetings. they have moved beyond that now. they are working at the grass roots to get people elected, and it's working. >> does rush have a point? shera joins us. nice to see you. so is the tea party picking up steam? >> i don't know about that. i don't think this is 2010 where we really saw the full of the tea party. i think some of the primaries he just named, texas, nebraska, indiana, i think these were special cases and unique races. i don't think you can necessarily say a tea party candidate really outright won because of tea party support. >> have there been any tea party candidates who have lost recently? it seems the fact that these three, i mean, the race isn't over. obviously the candidate in

>> guest: i think -- well, i think the tea party are not a third party. i don't mean political party, but party of old, and they are inside and outside the republican party, so they function independently when they want to, but they also can be inside the bowl when they want. progressives are nothing like that. if you a progressive liberal democrat like myself, you don't have that. you're in the democratic party or you are not, so i think that we need a strong organized left wing of the democratic party in the same way that the republicans have a strong organized right wing representative of the tea party. i think if we had more balance, well, there's too much partisanship already. you know, there's too much because of right wing partisanship. i think the on the part of democrats we keep chasing the bunny down the road and not facing our principles on too many things for too late gain, and i think we need to stick up for our principles. happy to have the debate, and then it's cut between two positions of the clearer principles, and one position is unyield

if the tea party is the party that they claim to be, they will side with ron paul.e is for government responsibility and all the things that the tea party claims they stand for. it seems to be a generic form of the gop party. romney will not beat obama. all he is doing is bashing obama, and it is impossible for me to figure out where the man stands at the moment. >> how long are we going to put up with the tea party ruining our great country? it makes no sense to elect someone that intends to dissolve the government. a republican in tulsa, oklahoma. good morning. caller: i was a republican when i first voted for nixon over kennedy. i want to say this about the new republican party. they became republicans after 64 and 65. now they are republicans in name only. from the tea party side, they are the same dixiecrats. where is the ability to work with other people? they're so strident in what they do. is it true vice president cheney got -- [unintelligible] that i hadn't heard story. we are asked about the decision to have only republican callers? is the left wing broke

offer a suggestion as to how to bring the center back, and it is heartening frankly to hear that the tea partying weakened a little when governor huntsman said he couldn't be elected, reagan couldn't be elected, perhaps we will have sense in the democratic and republican party for the senate to take back control. >> you wrote in a very candid way, for several years . . . now you say for several years, but really this started -- it has been going on a while, but particularly in earnest since the 2010 elections, right? >> well, it happened in 2010 with bennett in utah, and castle in delaware, and lisa in alaska, and center merkowski's story shows us the way to the future. the tea party ran a candidate against her. jim ran a tea party candidate, and she came back, jennifer, with a write-in vote. >> amazing. >> unprecedented in american history, especially with a name like mercowski, but it shows us that if people are motivated they will throw the rascals out. >> yes. however, we are all up against some very powerful forces. your book you wrote that you didn't think the tea party moment was an ast

i got to tell you, i have mixed feelings about the tea party. love that they challenged power, i hated how they got corrupted so quickly and so easily by big money. when they first got formed it was to protest the bank bailouts. how many protests so far? none! because they don't want to protest the banks. their leaders immediately got corrupted and bought by the banks. back in 2010 this was a tea party ad in chicago. >> we want more freedom, not more debt. >> more jobs not more bureaucrat. >> no more takeovers and spending. >> and no more government control. >> washington needs to know they work for us. we don't work for them. >> no more bailouts except we'll do anything for you. we have goofy haths. >> well one of the founders of the tea party is fairly sickened by the direction it has taken. >> we began with the premise that we have to fix this. it has to go away. we have to get all of the bad debts out in the open and clear them, and it stayed that way for about a month and then the money interests came in and basically took it back and as fa

>> guest: i think the tea party as a right, they are not a third party, it's a political party like the -- der inside and outside the republican party. so, they can function independently when they want to but also they can be inside when they want to. progressives have nothing like that if you are a strong progressive democrat like myself, you don't have the equivalent. in the democratic party or not. and so i do think that we need a strong organized left wing of the democratic party in the same way that republicans have a strong organized right-wing. i think if we have a little bit more balance people say there's too much partisanship already. no, there's too much excessive right-wing partisanship. we keep chasing the money down the road and we have abandoned our principles on too many things for too little gain and so i think we need some of us to stick up for our principles. i'm happy to have the the date and if the deal gets cut it is cut between the positions that are clear principles and not one position this unyielding yet another one that is available to be moved without any be

yourself with the tea party or not.hen you go throughout utah, everybody i talk to is concerned about debt and spending federally and looking for new leader in washington who will take that on. and that's what i have done and that's our message. >> your campaign is backed by freedom works which is a tea party activist roots and not all tea party grassers are supporting you. and others are supporting hatch. and what does it say about the division in the tea party in your state. >> the divisions of the tea party they have tried to take it one direction or the other. debt and spending matter. orin hatch has a record of expanding entitlement programs and third higher earmarker in congress and expand increasing his own perks and benefits and to my record, it is the opposite. i cut spending and dressed entitlements and spending in utah . my serve in the legislature and we cut pensions for legislators. we have a stark contrast of what his vision is for the federal government and what mine is. we think it is resonating well. >>

so the tea party today is what the billionaires who funded it and encouraged it hoped it would become a front group for banks as well companies and billionaire allegra's americans are figuring it out which is why generally people aren't showing up for lobbyist funded tea party rallies like they did back in two thousand and nine today instead young people are in the streets alongside real working people and like the real revolutionaries who dumped tea in boston harbor more than two hundred thirty years ago the targets of today's demonstrations our corporate power and the oligarchy who are corrupting our congress the occupy movement didn't need fancy busses or fox so-called news to rally people today unions didn't need secret billionaire funders to get americans fired up today all it took was the devastation of the american working class by thirty years of trickle down deregulate the banks reaganomics and the insane trade policies that went along with the first stage of unrest that we saw a few years ago the tricorder tatts the zener phobic signs the fancy bus tours the huge expensive s

what the tea party is doing here.murdoch, the state treasurer who can't add numbers very well. he will be up here and another right wing tea party person. what is available right wing and by the way, they are after orrin hatch in utah. they will probably get him, too. before the tea party -- before the tea party is done, you are going to have an entire senate and house looking like eric bolling. think about that. okay? >> andrea: i like that thought. >> dana: hot congress. >> bob: the tea party is ruining the republican party. in my case it's not a question. they are. >> greg: you should be happy. why are you upset? you're scared. >> bob: i'm scared orange wingers. >> bob: they're winning. murdoch is 60 years old. scary when that is the young candidate. this is about new blood. not about the tea party but the fact you have people like lugar who has been in the same spot for 30 years and doesn't even live in indiana. i want to run for office. where the casino is. >> bob: the tax we talk about is $1.6 million outside gr

it should lose when you look at how the freshman tea party caucus hasn't. well has not really rocked the government spent and doing and done some of the things promised to do i think what you have to conclude is we need more tools that allow the average person to do that you know i have you know be all i actually agree with you on that and i think that and i've always said i thought that many of the people probably the majority of people who showed up for tea party rallies and they just didn't do the math you know word of this five hundred thousand dollars bus come from where this hundred seventy thousand dollars sound stage come from it just didn't occur to them you know who paid for all the all the p.r. they got us in all the newspapers that they actually were were genuine populists but it seems to me that the beef that you have and that i have frankly is with the supreme court the supreme court created this doctrine out of thin air which was never proposed by any legislature anywhere in the united states any state legislature a federal legislature that c

here's the downside of it, the tea party and i write this in the book, the tea party went from protest politics very quickly. they were protesting and then the registered voters supported scott brown and grout taricani's old seat in the senate and broke the majority -- sometimes you get a senator that's voted democrat at some time. test cody did an extraordinary job. they went from the energy of protest which is important and then they were able to implement their agenda. not always in d.c. but they held it across the country. that's an incredible achievement from my point of view. wall street is different. thir interest in that direct democracy and they don't want to participate in that way. maybe it meant they have less of an impact on long-term than anybody. the rest of us though who are not occupiers but are concerned about the 99% needed to find ways to fill in the gaps and that is where rebuildfun code treen.com. >> are you saying occupy wall street is run its course at this point? >> guest: there will be always a role for the direct democracy but they will continue to make contr

you know people who came out with the tea party movement. did not want to try a government over trans national companies and billionaires ability not to have the same boat you and i have but but if you look at it the occupy movement the tea party could deny that both of those came from from honest good people who are still tired of a government that is in bed with a grand street and this is true across the political spectrum it should when you look at how the freshman tea party caucus hasn't. well has not really rocked the government spent and doing and done some of the things promised to do i think what you have to conclude is we need more tools that allow the average person to do that you know i have you know be all i actually agree with you on that and i think that and i've always said i thought that many of the people probably the majority of people who showed up for tea party rallies and they just didn't do the math you know word of this five hundred thousand dollars bus come from where this hundred seventy thousand dollars sound stage

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the consequence sometimes and not be practical is losing seats >> how do you see the tea party right w? this year? >> still a big part of the republican party, showing a panel of of these perris is. they seemed to be having less impact, mainly because there are republican incumbents are now either tea party people or have moved to the party positions. so we are getting the endorsement caught the imprimatur of the tea party. serenata as these challenges, but there are some. we are working on sunset and house races word tea party members are challenging more senior republicans. we will have a better read on this. the you foresee california ever been a republican state for the presidency? >> 1988. look, a long time. i'm not going to say that it will never again be a republican state, but it is hard to see how , given the demographic changes that are carrying california. the biggest single problem that republicans have nationally is that they are not attracting many votes possibly from african-americans, but that has been a long-term trend. the loss of the hole with hispanics that george

>> guest: the tea party has it right. they really mean that he party of will. , they can function independently when they want to but they also can be inside when they want to so we do need a strong organized left-wing in the democratic party in the same way the republicans have a strong word in his right ring. i've seen too little partisanship they keep chasing devotee down the road. to many things we need to step up for our principles and happy to have the debate now between one position that is unyielding and another available to to be moved without any great benefit occupy wall street but we have the groups that make the numbers of the group's the public employees all of these programs have a lot of different interest. how do you career of them into one coming and i know you are not trying to put them into one box but in 21 mission? >> guest: part of it has to do with what we're talking a lot earlier how do we build the middle class, though middle class corporation was a the result of every individual doing whatever th

this is a tea party victory. mourdock is different in the sense that he is state treasurer, not some nobody. but it does fortified the position of the tea party, and the biggest liability against lugar, beyond his age and residency, is that barack obama praised him as a senator he could work with in the senate. >> kiss of death. >> it was a grover norquist victory,. >> the club for growth, the anything-but-tax -- >> let me ask about the mitt romney in high school thing. apparently -- he does not remember it, he says -- they graaff up a kid who looked different. high school is not off limits? >> kids are cruel. i am a sure all of us did something we regret. this looks like something cruel he did. it is not necessarily defined you for life. the question is if anything like that comes up later in life. >> he had a good response. he said he was sorry for eight. i think he will be able to say that his life has been pretty exemplary since then. >> maybe he just did not care one way or the other i want to say something

the tea party. he says, imagine where we would be if the tea party hadn't taken control of the house of representatives. they are honorable, but a group set up on obstructionallism. let's talk about this obstructionallism. is that what this is about? is that -- obviously, i know you are a fan of the tea party. but what's your response to the vice-president on behalf of the tea party? >> lthe vice-president is very, very out of touch with what constitutional fiscal conservatives are trying to accomplish through the tea party movement. that's just to awaken the rest of america to the road that we are, that president obama and vice-president biden have us on, a road towards bankruptcy. and the tea party movement is -- thank god -- trying to obstruct any more growth of government that will put us over the edge f. it weren't for the tea party grassroots movement, null of those who believe that a smaller, smarter government is the answer to many of our problems, if it were not for the tea party, we would

if you think about the tea party, as i talk about in the book, the tea party had a very specific objective -- roll back government. you heard that from senator-elect mourdock today. roll back government. and it made a decision, electoral involvement, win seats. they won 43 congressional seats in 2010. so when barack obama and john boehner got an agreement in principal for a $3 trillion deficit reduction package, it was the 43 tea party republicans in the republican caucus that prevented that from happening and brought this country to the brink of bankruptcy. that's how quickly things can change. people say it never changes? it already has changed in the last three years. you've had a radicalization of the republican party. >> we had a debate over a debt ceiling which had never been debated and practically brought the country to its knees. >> well, it always is debated and there are a few people who demagogue it and get their votes and they go home, but it always passed with bipartisan support. and you contrast occupy, however, with tea party with occu occupy. occupy had a great slogan, we'

matt and i in tel aviv about six months ago, we were able to start the first tea party in israel, we call it kosher tea. started off with 70 people crowded into a cramped little space not much bigger than this platform. but now i understand they have grown to over 700. freedom, there is a thirst for it all across our world. and as i leave you tonight, or this afternoon -- i usually speak at night -- as i leave you this afternoon, i want you americans to know from the words of christ, that these words don't fit many other people in our world today, but it does fit you in this room here today. you are the salt of the earth, but if the salt loses its saverness, savor, its usefulness then it is good for nothing, to be thrown out, trampled under the foot of men. you are the light of the world. a city that set up on a hill cannot be hid so let your light so shine before men. that they will see your good works, america, glorify our creator who gave us the rights that we have, and as i travel around this country, sometimes shaking unfriendly hands, sometimes finding myself in perilous places,

we are not the tea party group. i am not here to defend the tea party.e are aligned with the tea party, generally, on economic issues. it is a bit of a fallacy to say they are extreme. they are regular folks trying to understand how to participate in government. they are starting to have -- the last few elections cycles, they are having a real impact. they are finding candidates they want to support and getting them elected. citizens care about the government and the future of the country. they want to participate in the political process. host: kansas city, missouri. william. hi? you are on, sir. go ahead. caller: [unintelligible] host: you are on, sir. go ahead. turn down your television. we are getting feedback. caller, go ahead. caller: i turned it down. why did these people make a pledge not to raise taxes whether any circumstance? why would they do this? host: the idea of nicki a pledge not to raise taxes -- of making a pledge not to raise taxes. guest: we generally support the pledge from the standpoint that taxes are not a problem. you can confis

so will the tea party pack a punch in wisconsin.f jenkins hit the ground. >> this is cofounder of tea party patriots, largest grassroots organization. jenny beth what are you doing in wisconsin and when did you get here? >> we're here to end the recalls in wisconsin. we've been here for a week. we are encouraging people to go and voted and end the recalls and protect our representative democracy. >> what is at stake here. this has turned into a national story. when we saw all the protests last january, you guys were there? >> we were here with our tea party groups who are in wisconsin. we watched what happened as the liberal groups marched around the capitol. >> reporter: the tea party movement isn't quite as strong as it was in 2010 with the healthcare. what is going on with you guys? >> clearly that is wrong. we had 990 and showed we've raised over $12 million in the last fiscal year. we have hundreds of people are going to be here in wisconsin from around the country. people are who are calling. we have just gotten more sophistic

it wasn't just tea party activists asking richard to run. it was two-thirds of the indiana republican party asking him to run. richard lugar got disqualified from voting in indiana because he doesn't live there anymore. he just grew out of touch with indiana. that's a problem that politicians have. completely lost touch with indiana. the tea party saw the opportunity to pick up a seat and move it to the right, and they did with richard mourdock. >> any lessons in the lugar detaet? >> i think eric nailed it. i'm a hoosier. i live in the state with my wife. you forget who you are back home. is he really a hoosier anymore, or has he forgotten about us? he didn't return home often enough. that sends a signal. when two-thirds of the establishment republicans in indiana turn against you, from the very beginning of the campaign, it really shows you've been away too long. less ideology, less tea party, just more an older statesman who got out of touch. >> cornell, is that the way you see it as well? >> it's interesting we want to talk about being out

>> we see the tea party taking over the republican party and from the outside looking in, i think mostmericans look at this and say, you know, here's a party that increasingly moderates and people who want to compromise aren't welcome in. lugar barely had a challenge last time in indiana. he's been -- he's someone who won that seat convincingly. i mean, that sat now moves from a seat that democrats was not in the top tier with democrats to a seat that democrats are certainly targeting now because you have moved a moderate middle of the road republican out of that seat and in a state like indiana where all of a sudden democrats on the senate side probably have a fairly good shot of taking that senate seat. but the tea party in this way is absolutely not helping the republican party. >> eric, you say he lost -- >> cornell -- >> i'm sorry, ari, go ahead. you said he lost touch with indiana, but he's part of it -- he was willing to compromise with democrats? >> you know, for the tea party for a degree it was. it was on spending issues more than anything. he was willing to compromise too mu