but they're just calling themselves tea party groups. they are not the tea party. the tea party as ordinary people living in your neighborhood. >> host: neck is regina and berkeley, california. >> caller: hi, how are you? i am enjoying your show. i wanted to -- ms. foley, some of the process that i've seen in my neighborhood appear to be angry, confrontational as well as angry. and i am wondering icy racist image as in their protests and i am wondering why that is. and a smile, i would like to know, i tried to understand their issues and what they're about and i think he gave an excellent explanation of that today. but why do they not -- do they associate with the 99%? and if so -- if not, why not? 99% versus the 1%? of the 99% would be all the rest of the public is opposed to the 1% of wealthy people? >> guest: i assume that she party does not consider itself to be aligned with the 1% of the wealthiest americans because they are not in the top 1% of wealthy americans. i'm not sure what matters. >> host: have a angry computational? >> guest: the fact the constituti

called it a tea party. then there were other key parties became rent in 2008? to the store in 2002009, do you think? 2009 actually. because in 2009 i was beginning to think about running and i was at my son's baseball game and it went, is going to give a speech, and i thought to be 20 people there in bowling green. there were 700 people, the biggest honor i've seen. that was 2000. i think it has its origins and roots in the 2007 campaign for my father. but i would say, and i always say there are two things that i think of the tea party started, two issues. people unhappy about obamnicare and also unhappy about the bank bailouts. but going around that movement also was a harken back to rules of the rules being the constitution, limit government picks when people say oh, the tea party is dead, i think it's an enormous or amazing victory that we've gone from no one questioning the constitutionality of laws for 60 or 70 years for the most part, particularly in the public, but even the supreme court, to taking o

the first tea party was 2007.i was there, it was in the boston, and we called it a tea party, and other tea parties came around in 2008 -- did they start in 2008 or 2009 to get big? 2009 actually -- yeah because in 2009 i was beginning to think about running, and i was at my son's baseball game, and i went to gave a speech, and there were 7 had u people. that was 2009. it had origins and roots in the 2007-2008 campaign for my father. i would say, and i always say there's two things that i think got the tea party started, two issues. people unhappy about obamacare and then people also unhappy about the bank bailouts, but going around that movement also was a harkening back to rules, the rules being the constitution limited government, and so when people say, oh, the tea party's dead and it's not doing anything, it's an amazing victory that we have gone from no one questioning the constitutionality of laws for 60 or 70 years for the most part, particularly in the public and supreme court, to taking obamacare all the

should there be tea party candidates challenging for congressional offices? that would look something like the wallace candidacy in '68 and it split the republican party and at that point i predict that tom and norm would look back with fuzzy sentimentality on the imprudent lead irship much mitch mcconnell and john boehner. >> norm, could you comment on the tea party, whether you see them extreme and part b, not asked here, could you comment on the occupy wall street movement and whether you regard that as extreme. >> sure. you know, i think these, let me say the tea party movement is a populist movement just as the occupy movement is, it rose during a time as it usually does of economic turmoil, populism is deep in our dna. it was an attack on leadership and establishment leadership, but i think we often use tea party as a kind of shorthand that simplifies things a little bit too much, and it gets to one of steve's points, the headaches for john boehner especially, less mitch mcconnell who i think has been very cold-blooded in his strategy in a way that boeh

a tea party trifecta the tea party with the white house because i tell you what mitt romney i don't care what you say about him he will be a tea party president already he's. the running to the right of bush on everything i think about this when they run to the right they govern for the right remember george bush compassionate conservatism and he governed by the way remember the tea party state house is that they just took a two thousand and ten they didn't run saying that they were going to destroy unions they ran to the right and they govern for the right romney is already running to the right of george bush he's already saluted the grover norquist flag he's already saluted that paul ryan wrecking ball budget he will govern even further right and so if you want to wake up. in november and feel five no fifty times worse. better next morning than you thought with wisconsin let's keep putting our minimum against their maximum so the alternative is the alternative is for true progressive is tough we've got a real let this president but that's not enough you also have to reenergize the

this explains why you see the rise of the tea party which is the republican analogue to the anti-war movement three or four years ago. it is a disruptive force and might tear the party apart. you mentioned the greg comrade commission. we can play tennis like this all day. there is a piece of evidence was a fundamental problem that the republican party has not gotten over the prison and that they want to be the permit relief party in america. this explains the symmetry of the ferocity of the competition. maybe the best example is the 2004 election. republicans extended their majority. tom daschle was defeated, the majority leader, in part because of the argument that he is an obstructionist to nominees. terry reid comes in and joe biden was asked to come into said this -- he said majority leader's have not filled that role. dianne feinstein said that if we keep going on this way, we will be a minority party. this kind of presumption made perfect sense in 1955 or 1965 or 1985. it does not make sense after the 1990's. you see this subtext often. there's something unnatural about republic

it will be done because of the tea party. thanks so much, everybody. thank you for what you've done. iffy woo work hard we'll win in november. god bless you. >>> republican members of congress led by congresswoman michele bachmann and earlier presidential candidate up on the supreme court plaza reacting to the supreme court's health care ruling today on this final day of the supreme court term here at the end of the month of june. you're watching live coverage on c-span networks including c-span3 television and also on c-span.org and we've added all sort of other features, including the ruling itself. if you would like to read more of what the justices had to say to uphold and also dissent from the final ruling, you can have that all available to it at c-span.org. we're also taking your comments by twitter and our twitter address is @cspan and add t the #aca for affordable care act. coming up will be the president of the united states commenting from the white house upholding the congress supreme court upho. good morning. >> my name is chris kim. i'm a

this explains why you see the rise of the tea party which is the republican analogue to the anti-war movement three or four years ago. it is a disruptive force and might tear the party r apart. you mentioned the greg comrade commission. we can play tennis like this all day. there is a piece of evidence was a fundamental problem that the republican party has not gotten over the prison and that they want to be the permit relief party in america. this explains the symmetry of the ferocity of the competition. maybe the best example is the 2004 election. republicans extended their majority. tom daschle was defeated, the majority leader, in part because of the argument that he is an obstructionist to nominees. terry reid comes in and joe biden was asked to come into said this -- he said majority not filled that role. dianne feinstein said that if we keep going on this way, we will be a minority party. this kind of presumption made perfect sense in 1955 or 1965 or 1985. it does not make sense after the 1990's. you see this subtext often. there's something unnatural about republican majority?

the tea party moves to washington. since he got to washington he has tangled with the dsa, proposed a budget that is actually balanced, drawn rave reviews for his efforts to reign in the patriot act, and then denounced as a libertarian extremist by a writer in national review. so what else is new? we couldn't have found a comment -- comment or who knows more about ron paul or who has more at stake in the future of ron paul's revolution. please welcome the junior senator from the commonwealth of kentucky, the home of the eight time national champion university of kentucky wildcats, senator rand paul. [applause] >> i want to congratulate brian doherty on his book, "ron paul's revolution." i think he has got it right that it's more than just ron paul. it's a revolution. it's a movement and it's its part of the libertarian movement that it is something bigger than one person. i think my dad would be the first to admit that the movement is not just him. he realizes there is something bigger and he is fond of saying in the c

the tea party dot net and founder of tea party nation thank you all for joining me and thank you let's get right into a new job numbers out today the good news is twenty seven straight months in a row jobs were created which is a whole lot different than when president obama came into office we were losing seven hundred thousand jobs a month the bad news is it was only sixty nine thousand net jobs and this is apparently there were several hundred over six hundred thousand jobs created but there were over five hundred high and thousand people that came into the job market speaker john boehner said this about the this news. it's pretty clear that you merican people are hurting spall small businesses continue to. avert hiring in additional people and it's clear that the policies that we've seen are not working. so given that the republicans have filibustered all the serious job creation legislation that's come out of the democratic party in the last three years and that they are demanding austerity shrinking the economy that republican governors all around the nation of laid off a half a

>> beyond just the tea party. >> greta: is there a tea party influence here? >> absolutely. it's one where it is not organized effort as much as it is people who for years been that pot percolating. people of all different background and beliefs of the state, i'm sick and tired of the government to get it to the hardworking taxpayers. i'm amused when the opponent talks about middle class. nobody has been more damaged than the expansion, the massive expansion of government under liberals in the past. we finally stood up and defended the middle class taxpayers and said once and for all, you're in charged look out for and you are the special interest. the hardworking taxpayers in wisconsin. >> if you are not elected, re-elected tomorrow, governor, we have had enough of the policies. we have had enough of the union. we are standing up for the unions, workers rights. that sends a different message. >> that is why so much is at stake. people can't take anything for granted. many of the polls, many of the last-minute or two showed us ahead, people can't take it for granted. remembe

they have been hijacked the tea party agenda because, when at tea party member in ohio or pennsylvania or michigan stands up and says, we want smaller government, they mean something very different than when a petrochemicals operator stands up and says we want smaller government. and so what has happened, i believe, is that the tea party movement has been largely hijacked by corporate polluters to give a populist veneer to a smokestack agenda that i don't think most tea party years actually embrace. it has translated in this city into a situation in which you have hundreds of lobbyists funded by hundreds of millions of dollars every year going up, patting backs, twisting arms on capitol hill and going to bat for the shareholders of these corporate polluters for the sake of greater profit. we need to stand up and say, we respect your right to speak out on behalf of the shareholders. the rest of us have a responsibility to speak up on what is it for the future of our country. >> we have another question over here. >> i am wondering, could you talk a little bit about coming, the president

are there pockets of folks who are going crazy with the social issues trying to get into the tea partyre, over there. no john, it isn't really a co-op situation at all. the tea evangelicals as i call them in my book, they want to return to judeo christian principles. they want constitutionally limited government, which is what the libertarians say but from a biblical world-view the evangelicals see it as a return to judeo christian principles. >> john: when we look at limited government we see the tea party who are fighting for lower taxes for higher wage earners. this confuses me from the christian point of view. it seems like a lot of verbal evangelicals want to help the poor by cutting programs for the poor and making those who are comfortable that much more comfortable. >> it's a great point of discussion. there is a debate, in essence a proxy war going on between progressive evangelicals and conservative evangelicals and modern evangelicals in the middle about what you said. everybody has their different interpretation of what would jesus do? in this case the evangelicals are sayi

plus, will the tea party pack a punch on election night? we will talk to tea party leaders in wisconsin. and everyone is talking about it. the recall result that could set the stage for november. karl rove is here to tell you why you should care about wisconsin no matter where you live. [ male announcer ] raise your hand if you've got savings whiplash. you know, from car insurance companies shouting, "save 500 bucks over here!" "no, save 300 bucks over here!" "wait, save 400 bucks right here." with so many places offering so much buck-saving, where do you start? well, esurance was born online, raised by technology, and majors in efficiency. so they're actually built to save you money... and time... and whiplash. esurance. insurance for the modern world. click or call. >> greta: it is not only governor scott walker's job at stake in the wisconsin recall. lieutenant governor rebecca clayfish is fighting to keep her seat. she is facing the head of the state firefighters union. we spoke with the lieutenant governor about her recall battle. >> g

tea party activists were ecstatic because the first word was that the individual mandate t hart of the law, had been struck down. >> we have breaking news here on the fox news channel, the individual mandate has been ruled unconstitutional. >> two and a half blocks away, first term tea party congressman paul celebrated with his staff. that celebration only lasted for a few minutes. >> we're getting conflicting information. >> the crowd in front of court was just as confused. crying, cheering, booing, chanting. >> we love obama care. >> what i'm seeing just gives me a sick feeling in my stomach. today is a tragic day for this republican. i'm absolutely sick to my stomach. >> the feeling was shared by congressman goeser. >> this really is kind of a shocking thing because i don't think either side would have thought this would have occurred. >> the shocker of this ruling, chief justice john roberts joined in the court's liberal justice is and saved the president's health care plan by in effect rewriting it. >> being in the courtroom was so interesting, because when the chief started readi

at least of the tea party is conservative christian. >> one of the king makers in tea party terms hasbeen south carolina senator jim demint. this is what he had to say. >> i really think a lot of the motivation behind these tea party crowds is a spiritual component. people are seeing this massive government growing and realizing it's the government that's hurting us. i think they're turning back to god in effect is our salvation and government is not our salvation. >> it's really the contrast, the push/pull between government as an agency of good that can help people with a social safety net and government really as a force that hurts individual initiative and really goes against the grain of independence. >> that's absolutely right. i think that's one of the challenges i lay out later in the book, in the last chapter, which is how are tevangelicals going to convince independents their message is mainstream. we've heard a lot of time the tea party message isn't mainstream. there have been plenty of articles written about that. how do you convince independents that it is. if you actual

if you ask the american people about the tea party, the tea party is less popular now than they havelk ] >> juan: let me finish this point. occupy wall street has higher standard. >> eric: i said i wish bob was here, not because i don't want you here. but he says the same thing. the unsung hero was the tea party in the walker thing. they were the grassroots. >> juan: unsung hero is koch brothers. big money. >> greg: dana and i said before the show koch brothers would come up before the "b" block. >> dana: charles krauthammer last night, he said he thinks bill clinton is a double agent working against president obama. the white house must be thinking with friends like these -- try and figure out what president clinton is up to when we come back. ♪ ♪ let me tell you about a very important phone call i made. when i got my medicare card, i realized i needed an aarp... medicare supplement insurance card, too. medicare is one of the great things about turning 65, but it doesn't cover everything. in fact, it only pays up to 80% of your part b expenses. if you're already on or eligible for m

tea party caucus did vote to repeal obamacare. you see, we have the job one-third done. now we have to complete the job in the senate and also in the white house. it's imperative. we don't have a choice because our legal remedies have now concluded at the supreme court today. as inexplicable as this decision is, with no foundation in our constitution for upholding the individual mandate, this court has ruled today, and this has meant a turning point in american history. we're the largest expansion of government power over our liberties and over even our very lives so that now government for the first time in the history of the country has power to force every one of you to buy -- to force you to purchase whatever product or service government tells you to buy just because you breathe. that's never happened before in the history of the united states and add to that, john fleming, also a member of the tea party caucus from the great state of louisiana, dr. john fleming. [ applause ] >> four more years of michele bachmann! >> look, f

so far republicans seem to be casting their lot with the tea party and this is a mistake. the public is fatigued with all these partisan fights but they just want to keep re-enacting them. republicans -- plus republicans should not be so quick to dismiss another potential effect of this decision. the health care law could well receive a second airing with the public because of this decision the court's validation of the law may cause americans to reconsider their opinion of it as well. and there's a precedent for this. when social security was passed, it was decried as socialism like health care. like health care, withstood a constitutional challenge early on and, of course, social security went on to endure as a cherished program in the country. the health care law is getting popular with time, getting more popular with time, as more and more of it goes into effect. and lastly, let me say this. this decision preserves not only the health care law, but also the supreme court's position as an institution above politics. i and others have vocally criticized the court's conse

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>> it is currently the creature of the tea party being driven by the tea party and the tea party i woulde is very much a creature of texas ideology of empty places ideology. the tea party's one of the first original organizations of their events was dick armey and his people who were texans. they looked to ron paul as their intellectual godfather originally. >> rose: a libertarian. >> the libertarian and it's just very empty places and all of it's... thoughts words, and actions and texas, which is so huge, so growing, second-highest birthrate many the country after utah and so passionate about stuff-- victory or death-- is driving the tea party in many ways. >> rose: is book is called "as texas goes... how the lone star state hijacked the american agenda" and there you go. >> rose: isn't that a good cover? >> yes. see. a hat thereto on top of the washington monument. thank you. >> rose: great to be here. thank you for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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if you ask the american people about the tea party, the tea party is less popular now than they havelk ] >> juan: let me finish this point. occupy wall street has higher standard. >> eric: i said i wish bob was here, not because i don't want you here. but he says the same thing. the unsung hero was the tea party in the walker thing. they were the grassroots. >> juan: unsung hero is koch brothers. big money. >> greg: dana and i said before the show koch brothers would come up before the "b" block. >> dana: charles krauthammer last night, he said he thinks bill clinton is a double agent working against president obama. the white house must be thinking with friends like these -- try and figure out what president clinton is up to when we come back. ♪ ♪ every communications provider is different but centurylink is committed to being a different kind of communications company. ♪ we link people and fortune 500 companies nationwide and around the world. and we will continue to free you to do more and focus on what matters. and also to build my career. so i'm not about to always let my freque

tea party had very specific objectives. rollback governments, well-funded. had a very clear strategy to win congressional races. in 2010 day when 43 seats in the united states congress. the 43 t. party republican. in summer of 2011 and speaker boehner and president of that an agreement in principle for a deficit reduction package of 3 billion to $3 trillion, those 43 t. party republicans reject today and almost brought the country to bankruptcy. they say the pc party. because of money and focus they made it happen and brought us to where we are today. see the guy who won in indiana, defeating dick lugar, great united states senator, happen to be a republican. the tea parties said the air of confrontation has begun. my idea's success democrats support my position. such ignorance. we wouldn't have a constitution without compromise. that is the only way we move to countries diversions forward. occupied. have a great slogan for the 99%. i pointed out a very important issue. income inequality in our country today was not adequately funded, did not choose to have a

let's remember the tea party movement built to a fury in 2009 and 2010.he new health care law. we all remember the scenes. and the violence always seemed to bubble just beneath the surface. at one point after the law passed, ten reported receiving threats or acts of violence against them. joining me now is a congressm who saw that violence of the tea party first hand. former congressman thomas perriello of virginia. we'll get into his experience with the tea party in a moment. we're also joined by joe madison. let me go to you first, congressman. are you surprised by the level of anger from republicans and talk of revolution? >> nothing surprises me anymore after what we've been through the last few years. it's one thing to have that rhetoric coming from across the country. it's another for leaders not to understand the importance of the signal that they send. when you start using a language that something is somehow ill legitimate, that helped send a signal that ill legitimate means of response may be legitimate because of it. i think it's so important

tea party had very specific objectives. rollback governments, well-funded. had a very clear strategy to win congressional races. in 2010 day when 43 seats in the united states congress. the 43 t. party republican. in summer of 2011 and speaker boehner and president of that an agreement in principle for a deficit reduction package of 3 billion to $3 trillion, those 43 t. party republicans reject today and almost brought the country to bankruptcy. they say the pc party. because of money and focus they made it happen and brought us to where we are today. see the guy who won in indiana, defeating dick lugar, great united states senator, happen to be a republican. the tea parties said the air of confrontation has begun. my idea's success democrats support my position. such ignorance. we wouldn't have a constitution without compromise. that is the only way we move to countries diversions forward. occupied. have a great slogan for the 99%. i pointed out a very important issue. income inequality in our country today was not adequately funded, did not choose to have a