find themselves a target in his own district because he is a tea party republican. >>guest: well, heck, if it helps then to raise money to go after the tea party movement, more power to them. the mistake they are making they have no clue what this movement is. they don't understand the movement. the movement is millions and millions of americans who are fed up with how big government is getting. i don't thing they want to attack a movement that big. they are not defending occupy wall street and they are certainly not defending this president's policies so i suppose we should look at it as a badge of honor they are going after us. >>neil: we will have that candidate on soon but not ad he does not, you will notice, embrace a lot of the "occupy wall street," themes and does embrace a couple of positions near and dear to you: smaller government, more responsible government, but without going after near and dear democratic issues. and societal issues such as medicare and medicaid. can you have it both ways? >>guest: no and maybe that is an acknowledgment they understand t

what is the problem that this tea party republican government action is designed to solve? well, according to the anti-fluoride forces in pinellas county, "this is all part of an agenda that's being pushed forth by the so-called globalists in our government, to keep the people stupid so they don't realize what's going on." according to "usa today," tea party activists arguing against the fluoride said "the fluoridation program was designed to dumb down the residents of pinellas county." so that is the problem to which they are applying their local government, which they took over. if you believe that pinellas county's biggest problem was that the residents were being purposely made stupid by fluoride in their water so they could be more easily controlled by globalist overlords, then you must be looking forward to pinellas county getting way smarter all of a sudden starting in january. and probably overall you must be delighted with pinellas county's new problem-solving approach to government. but if it does not seem plausible to you that that is a real problem that needed t

>> that is largely a response to the overreach by the tea party republicans in the house. republicans in the house. the american people said to themselves, some of these guys are willing to allow the united states government to default on its debt for the very first time in its history with terrible consequences to the economy. consequences to the economy. and so what you saw there was a reaction to a group of people who had been taken the position, if you do not give us everything we want, we will let the economy go down the tubes. the american people said, we will not just roll over to that kind of behavior. we are willing to compromise, but compromise is a two-way street. that is what you saw in this latest effort. our republican colleagues in the house wanted to change the rules of the game with respect to how you treat emergency assistance in cases of disaster. i think the response was no, we're not just going to roll over because you guys can shout loudest. the american people's reaction to what happened in the house over the summer was a sign that they do not like th

the tea party republicans represent a threat, menace to this country. they're crazy. and they're going to try to frighten the daylights out of the american people by -- hopefully having some republican candidate they can demonize. >> right now, obama's worst rival is himself in the obama's 2008 and he's compared to the promise and the energy and the hopes that ushered him into offers. one a real candidate emerges on the other side, then there will be some comparison. and the president is out there now campaigning around the country, trying to shame the congress or force the congress to act on his jobs bill. and and if they don't, the hope is people will see where the blame lies at least in part for the failure of the economy. >> do you think the american people have already forgotten what happened about a year ago? that the house of representatives turned upside- down and republicans now run it, and also the majority of both democratic votes in the senate was lost? they have the senate but they don't have the majority vote? no. >> no, i don't think this is the way the

together, brother, and reason, but they just can't, the tea party won't let them, the tea party will have their head it is they do that. because the republicanment and officials areless before the power of the tea party, we must all pay lots of attention to the tea party and excuse the republicans their radicalism. how are we supposed to simultaneously believe that and that mitt romney is going to be the republican party's nominee in the stop mitt romney e-mail people founded and funded by the same people who do the tea party express earthquake the big vinyl-wrapped tea party buses that fox news spent so much time promoting these last couple of years and that incredibly, cnn co-hosted a presidential debate. those are the stop mitt romney e-mail people. we are supposed to take them seriously enough they get to co-host presidential debates with cnn but not seriously enough to care about their full-on, fire-breathing no mitt romney, never, campaign in the dick armey corporate funded tea party group, freedom works, says the republican party will have to pry a mitt rom nomination out of their cold, dead hands. joe miller who beat incumbent senato

do you think the tea party republicans will ever be on board with him? >> i do.not going to get all, imogen, you're just not. that's a reality of politics here for someone like mitt romney, but what romney has to do, and this has been part of the agenda i think from the very beginning, is hold on to as much of that tea party conservative base as he can, and then cobble together those pieces that are both independent voters and like-minded democratic voters to wittle his way through to the -- to the general election, and i think when the push comes to shove, when you are stacking up against the obama agenda and the record of the last three years, four years by that point, we get to november of next year, folks will pretty much decide, look, this is about electability and winning as opposed to just, you know, dying on the spear of a particular principle so i think you'll see more and more folks around. it's going to take time. >> michael, just following up on something jonathan asked which is this sort of mormon question. i mean, if we assume or if it's inevitable

what one political scientist found and that i agree with, is that the tea party had, for years, been the activist heart of the republican party. for some decades, a very conservative part of the republican party has been not only angry with democrats, but angry with republicans who seem to want to appease or get along with democrats. in those years where the republican party controlled not only the presidency, but both houses of congress, that activist core of the republican party felt that not enough conservative measures had been passed. host: that is what one viewer says to your earlier point about running against congress. he says "run against congress? you mean running against harry reid, don't you? --- different when harry truman was running against the so-called due nothing congress. -- do-nothing congress. guest: that is true. we have a super-committee who is empowered by law to make billions of dollars of cuts that are designed to displease both parties. unless those cuts are made, congress then will be forced to make extremely high catz to things like -- high cuts to things like the defense budget. it is basic

tea party supporters, perry is just at 7%, if you can believe it. herman cain tops this group with 32%. mitt romney gets 18% support from tea party republicans. herman cain remaining strong even in the new round of polls. there is still some hope for perry. the poll shows that 80% of republican primary voters say it is too early to make up their mind on the candidate. cain's surge comes as republicans reached an all time high of 78% according to gallup tracking polls. this is up from 21% since last april. perry trying to make a comeback in this race unveiling his economic plan for a flat tax yesterday in south carolina. he's calling it cut, balance and grow. it establishes an optional 20% flat tax, reduces the corporate tax rate from 35% to 20%, preserved home mortgage and charitable deductions, allows younger workers to opt out of social security and cap spending at 18% of gdp. perry also says his plan will make filing taxes easier for many americans. >> the size of the current code is more than 72,000 pages. the best representation of my plan is this postcard. this is the size of what we're talking about right here. taxpayers will be able t

after the success of the november 2010 elections, where you had something like 87 freshmen tea party republicansss, now we're in a situation where none of these tea party affiliated or liked candidates are anywhere. do you think this mean that the tea party movement as far as the presidential election is concerned, is probably declining in any kind of influence? >> no, i don't think so. we have a lot of candidates to choose from. there is at least eight major gop candidates plus a couple of minor candidates. it is still really early in the political season. the tea party will get behind one of the candidates. it won't be mitt romney. but we'll ultimately get behind one of them. we'll be looking for a lot of senate campaign, a lot of house campaigns and we'll see some good results in 2012. >> judson phillips of the tea party. i will hold you to that wage order dinner. >> just tell me how you like your steak, martin. >> thank you. >>> coming up, the white house and the iranian terror plot. every time a local business opens its doors or creates another laptop bag or hires another employee, it's not

is let's get people in who will actually clear out the deadwood in the republican party replace the republican party with the tea party and get people in there who aren't owned by wall street so folks like mike lee instead of senator orrin hatch well how do you think about is working you know because we did see of course this huge groundswell come out for the november eleventh elections and you could say that the tea party really played a big role in not getting the majority back to the republicans but now how much has changed well i think we're still in across. taking over the g.o.p. at the local level we had a huge historic victory in two thousand and ten we'll see what happens when i say that i'm eleven i meant twenty two and yes well there's so many elections going on that it's hard to keep track but we are looking ahead to two thousand and twelve and i think we're going to focus a lot on the senate and if we can continue this process over time to going to see a big difference maybe again the biggest difference between these two groups is that their solutions tend to be we want government to do more we say w

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working with a conservative tea party pac whose mission in life is to keep mitt romney from being the nominee. why are we supposed to take the influence of these group opts republicand to believe the tea party is the the controlling fact nor tea partile politics now, except in the case of their multiple committed energized campaigns to stop mitt romney? these guys don't seem to like rick perry much and we know as of today, they won't have the chance to select sarah palin y where do goal in and how long before we hear serious noises from the right, if romney get will get a third party challenge from the right f that's not possible, i'm done hearing about the intractability, power and influence of the tea party, thank you very much f that does happen, anybody else think sarah palin's statement left room for her to run, not from the gop but from a third party? ♪ like so many great pioneers before me, guided only by a dream. i'm embarking on a journey of epic proportion. i will travel, from sea to shining sea, through amber waves of grain, and i won't stop until i've helped every driver in america save hundreds on car insurance. well i'm out of the parking lot. that's

they've figured out, the handlers figured out the traditional republican party disappeared and you're left with a frankenstein monster called the teaow, there's no more goldwater or reagan conservative left. look, pat robertson, even pat robertson, the tv evangelist from the 700 club said, look, he's creeped out by how bad all these candidates look. he's saying the same thing i'm saying. they're all running the primaries. they've forgotten there's a general election ahead. this kind of character does have appeal. this character you saw puffing on the -- he has appeal to those fringe nuts but not the general population. >> yeah. cain's chief of staff went on fox today and here's what he had to say about the ad. >> i tell you, you walk into a veterans bar in iowa and they're sitting around smoking and, you know, we are resonating with them. >> krystal, what about there? is there a measure of truth there? it looks to me like he's going after blue collar independent voters. >> this is another piece of their, we're the real, we're authentic, we're real, we're like you. it's also a slap at the nanny state, that we don't want the governme

rand paul a tea party republican single handedly blocked it without being past. a spokesperson for the senator says he changed his stance after winning an agreement by the sponsors that would add an amendment that would put older pipelines under the new requirement, as well. >> early voting for a serious of measures in oakland including a parcel tax. measure "i" is dined to raise money for fire protection and library services and senior services. but there are no details on how the money should be spent and that is giving city hall a blank check. >> when you spend more that you are taking in there is no way is going to work. >> advocates of the measure said it would put $11 million in city coffers. the tax would be $80 per parcel each year for a information is family home. >> a lot more to bring you on this monday. a new battle over legalizing marijuana. two groups now at odds. also coming up, a new study questions how the government measures out exposure to cellphone radiation. >> multiple cars involved. >> a horrifying crash claims the life of an indy car drive

they are not affiliated with democratic party, the republican party, tea party or anyone else.re angry. the misery index has gone up. yet they want some results. they are also aiming their ire not just at wall street, three years after the collapse of lehman brothers, they are also aiming some of their fire against washington, d.c. for not working on behalf of average americans. they think politicians are beholden to corporate donors and not beholden to average ordinary americans working hard each and every day to make ends meet. >> so i talked about consumer finance for protection board. talked about elizabeth warren. you mentioned that. rick, you have written and i love reading what you wrote, i don't know why going out of the way to find a focus for this group. they can find it for themselves. you have written there's specific economic problems america should be protesting and actually written about solutions to them, five of them. >> i think these protesters represent something fundamental that's going on in america. people know that something is wrong. they feel they are f

tea party reflected. that's had enormous impact in the republican party.'s an overwhelming sense within the party that on whatever the question is, at this point the solution tends to be less government. rolling back the role of government. now, whether you can sell that in a general election is another question. i do not think there is a consistent ideological majority in the country for either side's view about the role of government. that last portion of the country that decides elections are looking for results that are less ideological and more pragmatic and remains to be seen whether they'll view the agenda that's clearly emerging from the republican field as one that's a pragmatic response of the things the country faces. >> we'll hear more from you. ron brownstein. thanks so much. >>> it's one of the smallest states in country with the white population at nearly 94%. new hampshire is the one place jon huntsman is campaigning. cnn is there with him when we come back. people really love snapshot from progressive, but don't just listen to me. listen t

this is russell pierce, a republican and tea party favorite. he's president of the state senate in the great state of arizona. russell pierce made a national name for himself last year by pushing through arizona's papers please law. remember sp-1070? at the time the most draconian anti-immigration law in the country before alabama got ahold of the issue. a federal judge has blocked arizona from enforcing major parts of papers please. but in the meantime, arizona voters, angry or grossed out by the whole sb-1070 ordeal started a recall campaign against russing pierce. the campaign said, overt disdain for the united states constitution. they put his petition out there and russell pierce up for a vote. through no fault of the arizona recallers, they're watching a cautionary tale unfold about the way we make decisions these days in our little democracy. here's how it goes. ready? the candidate who's trying to unseat russell pierce is in fact a fellow republican, this guy here. he's a totally mainstream local republican from the district who was urg

it's a pathetic state of affairs for the republican party because tea party and republican party are days. >> mike papantonio, great to have you with us tonight. always look forward to your take. thank you. >>> the party of reagan has been hammering president obama lately calling his tax plans class warfare. but president reagan's own speeches land on the side of president obama. and we'll play you the tape. it's a dandy. >>> an important voice of the middle class is now expressing his full fledged support for the wall street protesters. the movement is spreading to other parts of the country and the message is getting louder. greed is kill the middle class. >>> and up next, ronald reagan has a lesson for republicans who accuse president obama of class warfare. ♪ ♪ ♪ when your chain of supply ♪ goes from here to shanghai, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ chips from here, boards from there ♪ ♪ track it all through the air, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ clearing customs like that ♪ hurry up no time flat that's logistics. ♪ ♪ all new technology ups brings to me, ♪ ♪ that's logistics. ♪ >>> welcome back to

the truth of the matter is the only thing the modern day new era tea party republican congress caresprotecting tax cuts for the very wealthiest 1% of our citizens who now have, by the way, more than 40% of the nation's wealth. look, if their theory worked in creating jobs, we'd have jobs falling from the sky now because of all of the wealth that's now concentrated in the 1% of the tea party/republican donor base. but that's not the way a real economy works. you've got to make investments to create jobs. alisyn: thanks so much for coming in if, governor mark o'malley, with your perspective, and we'll see what happens next week. >> can thanks very much. bill: a bit of breaking news right now. news international, the british newspaper division of news corporation, the parent company of fox news, saying it will pay the family of a phone-hacking victim $3.2 million. the 13-year-old girl disappeared back in 2002. she was later found murdered. news international is accused of deleting voicemails from her cell phone in the days after she was reported mying, that news just breaking now. >>> m

they consider themselveses to be less intte interested in women, non-tea party republicans, and moderateiberal republicans. he's the tea party candidate. he's won what i call the western conference where romney wins the eastern conference. >> yes. and by the way, that description of cain supporters wiz basically the floor of the new hampshire legislature, which has turned very republican in the last year or so. they're all 55-year-old guys, you know, with weird sports coats and flat-top hair cuts. to generalize only slightly. but the problem, i think, that herman cain has got is not race. it's the fact that 999 is very controversial because of sales taxes, and because he keeps saying, whenever he's asked how he's going to solve a problem in specific, he keeps saying, i'll turn to my advisers, to my group of advisers. who are those advisers? it seems a little too on the fly. he's not only got to get an organization, he's got to get some substance. >> let's teach the people. let's learn some things here myself. "the new york times" describes cain's 999 plan as little more of a sketch that

idea of sending troops into mexico may not be popular or well received in many parts of the tea party republican primary voter constituencies in south carolina and florida, i think they will accept it as a strong statement about immigration. >> always a pleasure having you on. you are the best when covering governor perry and we enjoy having you on. thanks, wayne. >> tonight on "hardball," chris matthews takes a closer look and a special edition of his msnbc show. the debate is what it's called at 7:00 p.m. eastern. now to developing news in the trial of michael jackson's doctor. a live look at the l.a. courtroom where a representative from sprint is testifying about a cell phone record. moments ago we heard from a technician from at&t testifying about conrad murray's calls the day michael jackson died. earlier today, the emergency room doctor who allowed the paramedics to pronounce him dead said murray never mentioned he gave michael jackson propofol. she was grilled over the conversation she had with murray while she was trying to revive the star. >> i was trying to find the precise question a