what most people care about especially if you don't have one and what did we get from the tea party republicans let's shut down the government and have the government not pay its debt which was very damaging you know last year we had the fiscal cliff this year we once again shutdown the government this is all the tea party republicans it's something that they say this is we're proud of this is something we need to do. you know no matter what your political persuasion is. an economic perspective let me finish my sentence please those those. measures do not create jobs and that's the most important thing that we need to do right now is create good jobs for most americans austin you want to jump in there. and good lord i want to jump in here because i just want to come in the way ok kimberly let's talk about this because presidents cannot create jobs ok the government cannot create jobs the only thing that the government can do to create jobs is to get out of the way so if you have an understanding of how economics works the president can do certain things to reduce regulations so that businesses can hi

republican. let's be very clear. this is a non-good outicate for tea party style republicans. let's be clear about that.he towel on gay marriage weeks before this election. he's done a lot of things to try to get away from what's going on in the main firehouses of his own party. first of all, now he's going to have to tack back and pretend he's some fire-breathing republican conservative. i think he begins to tarnish that authenticity brand. >> look, this is a guy who defunded planned parenthood, which every right to life activist in the country will be thrilled by. he's somebody who has been very firm. no one is going to be pert in this game, but if he does run, he's going to run on being effective, and he's going to run on bringing people together. >> i want to play a clip. van, listen to this clip. listen to this clip. this is what he said last night. i want you to listen to the words he said because some folks have heard this clip we're about to play and think he's already looking ahead, potentially, to a run against hillary clinton in a general election. listen to this. >> for those veterans out th

tea party pushed them to the right. senator tommy thompson is not being interviewed today. he was supposedly a moderate in wisconsin. why did he lose? because he was against two tea party republicans and -- >> letfacts. i'm sorry, guy. john mccain defeated hayworth for the right and he won in the general. orrin hatch did the same in utah. there are countless example of people who have been center right or conservative who knocked off right wing challengers and won. why are you saying stuff that isn't true? >> because they're racing against insuperior democrats. >> okay. so all your candidates are strong candidates this time. >> if you look at the races around the country tsh. >> so you're going to carry mississippi if that state has a primary challenge. >> no but i wouldn't say they're a competitive. i think we have a chance to win kentucky. place where is there are significant republican primaries. >> what is the kig kasignificana chris christie win. >> if you're going to force me, the only thing it helps is it might come down to new york donors who are worried that the republican party is moving too far to the right. and that's why you see mitch mcconnell and others trying to battle -- >> why

tea party pushed them to the right. senator tommy thompson is not being interviewed today. he was supposedly a moderate in wisconsin. why did he lose? because he was against two tea party republicans and -- >> letu the facts. i'm sorry, guy. john mccain defeated hayworth for the right and he won in the general. orrin hatch did the same in utah. there are countless example of people who have been center right or conservative who knocked off right wing challengers and won. why are you saying stuff that isn't true? >> because they're racing against insuperior democrats. >> okay. so all your candidates are strong candidates this time. >> if you look at the races around the country -- >> so you're going to carry mississippi if that state has a primary challenge. >> no but i wouldn't say they're a competitive. i think we have a chance to win kentucky. place where is there are significant republican primaries. >> what is the significance of a chris christie win. >> if you're going to force me, the only thing it helps is it might come down to new york donors who are worried that the republican party is moving too far to the right. and that's why you see mitch mcconnell and others trying to battle -- >>

moderates coming together and saying, look, let's rally around the republican nominee, we may not like kent originality, he may be conservative and a tea party guy, he outmaneuvered us, but let's come together and elect a republican. they did not do that. at kenst stones cuccinelli the whole time. he was fighting a two-front war against the establishment and the democrats. the opposite happened in alabama. the more established, business- from the republican if he did the tea party candidate. he said in his concession speech, i will not even vote for the republican. in alabama, that will not hurt them, because the republican is that, but the point this is a trend. if the tea party guy wins, the moderate people take their ball and go home. the establishment people will not support him. if the establishment wins, the tea party says they will not vote for them. the republicans will not be able to win if they have that mentality. i would say, fight it out in the primaries but you have to come together if you want to win general elections. it is a huge loss. in newhe president was orleans on friday talking about the economy, trying to change the s

republicans. that doesn't mean acting like the tea party. that means acting like republicans who care about individual liberty -- >> sounds like the tea party to me. >> it's not the tea party. >> let'sdelaware. we have exactly two u.s. senators. one's a conservative. in the house, out of all those seats we have 12 house seats. the northeast pursued their strategy. they said let's go out and let socially moderate candidates who are fiscally conservative. it turns out they don't exist. if you go to the atr, which is arguably a conservative group, and ntu, you'll find that the most pro-life people are the most fiscally conservative. there's no question about this. fu want to know people who would cut tax debts, are they pro life or pro choice? >> we'll continue this after the break. >> i'm in delaware. i'm not a witch. >> for the three of you to cease-fire on. is there anything that you can agree on? we also want you at home to weigh in on today's fire back question. do you think that governor chris christi represents the future of the republican party? tweet yes or no. we'll have the result after the break. new purina one true instinct has 30. active dogs crave nutrient-dense food. so

steps we had to take to right the economy did help fuel the tea party rebellion, and now that's become a major motif in the republican party. let me say one thing, i don't know where these questions will lead, wherever they did lead, i was going to interject this anyway. let me get this out of the way now. i'd like to talk to our friends from the financial sector here and get back to that initial point. ultimately, i don't believe there's a big debate about redistribution. redistribution is a -- let's set that point aside, there really is a challenge, how do you grow an economy in which there's broader opportunity. and it goes to things like education and investment. continued investment, innovation, energy, and infrastructure, and a whole array of things. if we don't have a strategy to do that, and we're satisfied with increasing poe lairty in our economy, this anger is going going to well. and when it comes time to do things like -- god forbid you guys had to do. or we're trying to build consensus around our institutions, we're not going to be able to do it. everybody has to me a shared interest in seeing policies that will h

republican nomination. they said that's wasted money. if anything this was going to let republicans set up their own family feud dynamic and let christie have a fight with the tea party and let them drive themselves crazy. they do not believe christie can get out of republican territory. i don't know that to be true. democrats did also nothing to help barbara buono. the president did not endorse her. debbie wasserman shultz did go to the state but they gave her minimal resources. there will be head scratching and finger pointing later on. democrats did nothing to change that dynamic by saying with a wasserman shultz said this morning instead of on monday morning. >> let's talk about virginia, despite a victory by terry mcauliffe and we'll get the final numbers, the bottom line, you have some democrats wondering why this race was so close. let me read from your article on politico on why he barely won. it blunts the narrative that this was a clean win for democrats going into 2014 and guarantees an intense blame game among republicans about what might have put cuccinelli over the top there. what are the republicans saying today? >> i spent all day on the phone with re

tea party's clout and the struggle for the heart and soul of the gop. it's a republican congressional primary runoff. the establishment republican candidate bradley byrne defeating the tea party-allied candidate dean young. let's take a look at the votes. 92% of the vote in we've projected bradley byrne will win. 54% to 46% for dean young. the winner of this renoff is widely expected to defeat the democratic candidate in a special election next month. some hot button issues on the ballot out west. voters are deciding whether to approve new taxes on marijuana in colorado where recreational use of the drug is legal. we have the votes coming in from colorado right now. on a tax of marijuana. 65% say yes, 35% say no. that's with 84% of the vote now in also in colorado in weld county and some other rural counties they're deciding whether to take steps to secede and create a 51st state. seen as a measure of public anger at the state's democratic establishment. take a look at the numbers right now. no ahead only 17% of the vote is in 58% to 42%. but so far no is the majority in colorado to secede. john king is here with me. let's talk about virginia right now. it was closer than a lot of us thought it would be but te

some of the more mainstrea republicans, the non-tea party - they say let's not change the story, let's keep it on obamacare. the anti-obamacare say, "this is the best time to kill or delay it." there are a lot of people, because it's here as paul ryan said, not happy. use the continuing resolution of the debt ceiling to force the issue now before the website works and people realise they are getting benefits. before the situation becomes worse from a political perspective. the other thing i need to remind you is your question is based on a reality, rationality. this is not a rational debate. it wasn't when the government shut down and may not be when there's a shutdown in january. it's political and emotional and not rational. >> do the republicans, aside from obamacare have the upper hand. we heard the death and destruction predicted on the sequester, drak ownian cuts that kicked in. some are vulnerable. the enormous majority of americans haven't felt the consequences. if republicans say, as paul ryan said, the spending cuts and the physical discipline - we may stick to that, it's not

republicans and the tea party. that's probably to the tea party's credit. the tea party movement has moved into the republican party and moved that party to the right. >> let's talk what about he said specifically about bringing us over the cliff with the government shutdown earlier this fall. ted cruz, one of the tea party senators from the 2012 election, sort of the ring leader of that. look, on tactics, i think ted cruz was probably wrong. i think he misled a lot of conservatives, a lot of tea partiers in thinking they could buy shutting down the government or threatening the shutdown, they could defund obama care. the fact that he was fighting what was coming with obama care with all of the cancellation, all of the people upset about their coverage getting worse and losing their doctors and their providers. so with the tea party is fighting the fights that a lot of americans agree with it. they don't agree with the tea party necessarily. the tea party has been portrayed sometimes to their own credit, as sort of a right-wing faction that is outside of the main stream. but particularly on issues like obama care and government involvement in the health care

he linked republican ken cuccinelli to the national tea party. let'sf he made the proper connection. take a look. >> you've seen an extreme faction of the republican party that has shown again and again and again that they're willing to hijack the entire party and the country and the economy and grind progress to an absolute halt if they don't get 100% of what they want. if you embrace the very politics that led to this shutdown, then i guarantee you, it's not in the rear-view mirror of voters in virginia. they remember. they understand that that is not how you govern and that is not how you move america forward. >> so, larry, cuccinelli's campaign is predicting that the president's presence there would energize republican voters who were outraged over the botched rollout of obama care. is there a chance that cuccinelli could pull out a last-minute win because of the problems with the obama care website and not about what's in the rear-view mirror of the shutdown? >> you know, i always say there's always a chance, because every now and then all the pol

republican strength. for tea party related depression. >> that's amazing. let's spin. do think, we have such short memory, it was only recently it was the gop civil war and end of the republican party and they were going to become regional party and relegated to the best men of history and now obama's presidency is over and democrats will lose the house and senate. everyone should just calm down a little bit. in terms of health care, even though it hasn't been nearly what we wanted the rollout to look like, we have over half a million people who have health insurance, many of whom didn't have it before. i'm quite comfortable being on the side of the folks who want to give people health insurance, rather than those who are desperately doing everything they can to take it away. >> amen to that. it reminds me of something mark twain says reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated. that's not quite where we are with the obama presidency just yet. what does it have to do to move forward? get the website going. it's not a policy problem. it's an implementation problem.

republicans were rooting for mcauliffe to win. let's list tonight master. >> there's an effort by the republican party to ruin the tea party, the rinos want a victory. and gop bag man karl rove is all over fox without a word of support for cuccinelli while he schemes and whispers against the scenes against conservatives nationwide. >> i'm not a media critic. let's go to the argument, the people i grew up with like tom ridge, and all those guys we grew up with in my youth that were regular republicans, someone notched to the right of center are responsible for a man who wants to get rid of birth control, who wants to have person hood. this guy is pushing the envelope. and then he blames them for watching. >> this is the first time in 40 years that a party has won the governorship when they had their own member in the white house. it's the first time i think in a century that the same party hasn't won the governorship of virginia twice in succession. so they've broken all kinds of barriers here with cuccinelli. i think there's something else that we ought to know which is that because of obama care they were rallying toward the end of

let's look at what happened down in alabama. we have the republican establishment beating back a tea party candidate down there, in a race that couldgone the other way. we're looking at chris christie right now, who clearly is the front-runner, at least at this moment, piers, for the republican presidential nomination. will he stay there? unlikely. we'll see somebody else move into that slot. in virginia, right across the river here in washington, d.c., we seen a democrat take back a seat that's been held by a republican. so a lot of implications in 2014, and into 2016. >> two blows for the tea party. one obviously in virginia, but also in alabama, where a tea party candidate was up against a main stream gop candidate and lost. how big a blow is this double whammy, if it's a blow at all. what does it mean to senator ted cruz's campaign? >> you have to take it from two different perspectives. the republican establishment, and certainly the business community that's become alienated from the tea party, will see both of these elections in virginia and alabama as a repudiation of the tea party. i can tell by watching the twitter feed t

tea party will allow the party to win a national race, ie the white house. out front now tea party favorite, republican congressman steve king of iowa. congressman, look, i appreciate it. i see you laughing. letstraight to it. there are a lot of republicans you know this who are happy. they think these losses are the nail in your coffin. they want republicans to win a national election. they think they can do it only if you guys go away. that must make you unhappy. >> well, i listen to this dialogue. and it's pretty easy the morning after the election for people to spint results of it around to the preconceived misconceptions they had before the polls. i look around the country and there's one message coming out of new jersey, a different message coming up of virginia and different one coming out of alabama. what is the bottom line answer to this is that the tea party is stronger in some states and weaker in others. a month ago they were accused of having the power to shut down the united states federal government. and today they're talking about the death of the tea party. i this i that it's a little bit premature to say that. i think they've shown some strength. >> interesting point. let me

republican colleagues trying to scare everybody. >> the 16 day government shutdown finally came to an end. >> god bless the tea party. >> the shut down was so magnificent. run beautifully. so proud of the republicans. >> let's be clear. there are no whinners here. >> every aspect of life in america today is worse. >> my republican colleagues trying to scare everybody. >> everything is worse. >> who is going to jail. >> obama care scandal, scandal, scan scandal. >> never tell the truth. >> have you really thought your strategy through? >>> tomorrow, you might be at the table sitting beside a beloved crazy relative who says something like this -- >> the politicians of washington tell us don't worry about it. obama care is just going to be peachy keen. you go to the 1940s. nazi germany. look, we saw in britain, neville chamberlain who told the british people, accept the nazis. yes, they'll dominate the continent of europe. but that's not our problem. let's appease them. why? it can't be done. we can't possibly stand against them. >> here to help you with how you should respond to your crazy uncle who says something look that is crystal ball, co-host of msnbc, and sarah clift, health policy reporter, and michae

republican enough? >> he's not -- he is not conserve -- he is not tea party enough, let's put it that way. d he's going up against rand paul, and we saw already the division within the republican party itself when rand paul and chris christie went at each other. and there's a pew poll very interesting pew poll that says right now at least the momentum of the republican base and republican voters leans toward the civil libertarianism that rand paul represents. that does not bode well for somebody like chris christie to make it to the nomination. >> there's a new book out on tuesday, it's called "double down, game change, 2012." it says that mitt romney considered chris christie as his running mate but that his background was, quote, littered with potential land mines, kevin, we just talked about that a little bit. you were a top romney adviser back then. do you care to break a little news and tell us exactly why mitt romney did not choose chris christie as his running mate? >> the gossip is always about who they didn't pick and why. but the reality is if i could take you inside the campaign,

. >> what are the odds that republican leadership will, quote, get out of the way and allow the tea party to win the senate? >> that's a loaded question. let me use one example of a race that i think sort of defies that question. which is in arkansas, arguably the most exciting republican running this year is a guy naped tom cotton who head's a tea party guy. former military guy. in many ways a main stream. >> serving his first term. >> serving the first term, right? in many ways a main stream republican. i would reject the buy nair choice to say whether or not he's a tea party guy or an establishment guy. but i think maybe he's like in marco rubio's sweet spot which he can turn off the side that marco rubio managed to do this year. i think it's a false choice to have to choose. ultimately what i hope happens is that conservatives find a way to elect smart, mature conservatives, not rhinos, but conservatives but who go to washington and govern as opposed to just being in it for the theatrics and the gimmickry. i reject the notion you get the tea party. you reject conservatives who are energetic but want to get things done. >> jane? >> i wa

nothing courageous, except say republicans vote the way you want, and let the tea party do what theyant. and so as far as what happens in november, both parties are such low in terms of national favor, it doesn't take much of anything for someone to say, well, at least they're not as bad as that one. >> what you're talking about there is leverage. it seems that's what's been absent when it comes to the republican leadership. is the leverage of the business community. until, as you said, the last minute. you said they don't seem to care about the country. what do you think is driving, and what do the leaders of the opposition party -- what is it they care about? >> the leaders of the opposition party -- who do you think they are? i really don't think they have -- and i don't say this in an as parjing way. but john boehner could not be considered. a ted cruz is not a leader. quite frankly, they are so fractured, that even if they got rid of boehner, there has been nobody that they could select. they are -- they are divided. and so the real people that should be able to direct this is t

think there is amazing opportunities for not only tea party and established republicans to come together but so many people on the left it realize, that let'se the trial lawyers for example, if you are a medical malpractice attorney, you know darn well, that united kingdom and canada they did not do well in terms of bringing lawsuit. even veterans administration if you are a trial attorney and want to a medical malpractice suit, i think in is things about capping, here is a huge group of people who have been pro democrat, when they see movement of obamacare going to a single pair system when is a code word of takeover the government. neil: have you said before, you think that this health care issue, you pointed out that you thought it would be a big issue and a big problem. sure enough it has been. right now is. it could have an impact in virginia. how big and long-term of a fallout do you think this is for democrats? >> i think it is enormous, it is not just so. the web site, the web site is a nonissue. short of it goes against migraine to see these congressmen and senators almost bully sebelius. i mean when things go through something lik

republican, i will not vote. >> let's go to our democrat line next. good evening. >> good evening. i used to be a republican. willruz and the tea party have to legalize illegal immigrants. >> to milwaukee we go. independent mind, steve is on. >> hi. i am praying for the republicans now. i was raised democrat. [inaudible] the only republican i ever voted for before romney -- >> what about your governor? scott walker has been mentioned as a potential candidate in 2016. >> i hope not. i vote for him -- [inaudible] i think the republican party has a candidate who could get a large percentage of the popular vote. >> steve, thanks for the call. the democrats tweeting this evening, looking at the iowa event. they say -- that is from the national democratic party, the party releasing figures that were the result of what the government shutdown had cost. here is eerie, pennsylvania. we hear from coral. this is a republican mine. >> i just wanted to bring up that if i were a democrat, i would be ashamed of this health care fiasco. they are putting all this on college students, the young people who have to pay back their student loans and try t

republicans who have signed on to the bill. but for everybody else, when they do their cost benefit analysis, they say, well, look, the odds are that the tea party is not going to let this happen. period. therefore, what is the advantage for me to sign on to this democratic bill? you know, a lot of moderate republicans or at least the moderate republicans who are left, can you know, they can speak words positively about immigrants and about immigration reform without specifically endorsing the bill and they feel like maybe that would be enough and they say well, we ought to do something. this is a problem. we ought to go something, but don't endorse the bill because they don't think it's going to happen and once you endorse the bill, then you give a target to somebody on your right and say, you supported amnesty or x, that's in this bill that you've now put your name to. to, they're figuring it's not going to happen, i'm not going to go there. so there isn't the critical mass yet. once it looks like it's going to happen, whether this congress or next, you'll see a stampede. all these profiles in courage will be on the floor saying this is the right thing to do. pol

tea party will trust him. romney is a problem for chris christie because the problem is this, let's for a second channel and get in the minds of a core republican voter. a tea partier. okay. you got a blue state governor whose reached across the isle to work with democrats and who the establishment loves and they say he's electable. however, from the idealogical standpoint, i'm not that comfortable with him, but they tell me to vote for him anyway. i think chris christie will have a hard time. the tea party has not stepped back but got more emboldened and i think he'll have a hard time selling himself to republican party. >> i want to play something from dana bash, what he had to say about governor christie's win. >> every race is particular to the state that it is run in so there are factors in new jersey that i think are individual to that race and clearly he was able to speak to that to the hopes and aspirations to people within new jersey. and that's good, that's important. we want to win everywhere we can and governor christie has shown a way in winning in new jersey and states like new jersey. >> that's not exactly a compliment, is it? >>

virginia race was much tighter, he beat tea party republican ken cuccinelli and abortion as slavery campaign, can't imagine why he struggled with american voters. let'soward fineman, i have to tell you as someone who lived in virginia most of my life, who ran for congress in virginia, i find it amazing that abortion is actually a winning issue for democrats in virginia now. if you look at the numbers, 20% of the voters say abortion was the number one issue. of the 20%, terry mcauliffe won them overwhelmingly. >> virginia has changed, especially northern virginia, especially the washington suburbs of virginia. and virginia, i would like to say virginia is the new ohio, it's the ultimate swing state. on abortion it's clear that certainly among working women in the washington area, professional women, and women who sort of part of the metropolitan area and other cities like richmond and even roanoke and hampton roads own so forth, you can't be a hard line right to lifer and have much of a chance at winning at virginia anymore. you're right, that's a huge change. >> the election ended up being closer than anyone expected. i wouldn't be surprised if the t

republicans, don't forget, as well. >> it's interesting because you talked about the tea party and ising sure that everybody involved, not just the tea party. let's talk about the recent government shutdown and the filibuster by senator ted cruz and the whole effort to include defunding the healthcare law within the government funding bills. you signed onto the effort to do that which some people saw as a tea party effort. are you glad you did that and do you feel you had the results that damaged the party's image? >> i know that we would go from fiscal issues to obama issues that would obscure the strong points of the republican message which is fiscal issues. that is strong at the grassroots. the reason i signed on and the reason i stayed on is because when you vote against obamacare, and when you vote to repeal it, and you say you're going to do what you can because you think it is bad for the country, i don't think i should abandon that. from kathleen sibelius this past week. what is your confidence level that healthcare.gov will be working after november 30? >> it will not they. -- it will not be. the website in and of itself is a symptom of

republicans shut up and listen. >> that's been your advice to tea party colleagues. >> shut up and let this thing unfold naturallyessons, particularly going into next year. as this thing continues to unfold, obama care is not done yet. the website is just the first cog in the wheel that's being created here. >> and as we speak today, the white house is about to announce another delay, another year's delay in online enrollment for small businesses. >> yeah, and again, i just don't understand why the administration at this point doesn't take the advice of senior democratic leaders and just delay this whole thing. get the ground floor right. i mean, if you don't build the foundation correctly with this, andrea, as you know, this will topple over very quickly. the idea that you're inviting people into a system that is untested in any form or measure, that has problems with the website. you think think is problematic for folks, what happens when they actually try to put in a claim or get the kind of care that they're looking for if doctors aren't in place, if technicians aren't in place who are going to be part of thi

the republican party who hope so and openly who believe the dying tea party will allow them to win the national race, the white house. steve oiniowa, look, i appreciate it. i see you laughing so letget straight to it. there are a lot of republican who's are happy. they think these losses the nail in your coffin themselves want republicans to win a national election. they think they can do it only if you go away. that must make you unhappy. it is pretty easy, the morning after an election. the preconceived misconceptions they had before the poll. i look around, there'e message out t viinia, another out of alabama. what is it, the bottom line answer is that the tea party is stronger in some states and weaker in others. a month ago they were accused of having the power to shut down rnme tod they're der talking about teathf teem. i think it is premature to say that. i think they're showing some strength. >> okay. let me ask you. in alabama prork business groups poured out support to support the conservative republican instead of the teem republican. were you surprised at those losses last night? there has to be a little part of you that was disappointed. >> i was disappoint, especial

let's look at the alternatives we see on the other side of the aisle. the current crop of tea party republicans founded by wealthy economic royalists who all have a very small view of america. we have seen this story before. hoover called supply-side economics. reagan called a trickle-down economics. george w. bush halted focusing on my base. [laughter] we call it selling america short. [applause] i don't know about you, but i have had enough of tea party republicans like ted cruz, haven't you? [applause] these guys are too much, twisting the words