they had a proceeding in front of a judge that had many witnesses including the teac teacher herself tenure. tenure is a very, very complicated process. i also is getting to be more and more on the target of the right wing. eric, you speak for them so much, why are they a target? >> eric: you need to borrow his back medication. >> kimberly: honestly. >> eric: the downfall of american school systems. we're actually sliding against every other developed nation in test scores, both math, reading, writing because of tenure. went to pay the teachers -- we don't promote teachers based on their ability to teach kids. we promote them and pay them on the amount of time they work. >> bob: i am for testing of teachers but i believe in tenure. you can't say the downfall of this is doing away with teachers. you are not paying anything. you're starving the schools and the budgets because republican takes money away. gregg is sip approximately simpn sense. if you get something you don't have to work for, you no longer work for it. if you know you will get cable for free you no longer getting off th

community has always been a place where the american left does actually have a really vibrant for teac of the current system and the political parties so i think it's a natural fit to see you know occupy folks like us here in gauging and folks who are more traditionally involved in democratic online. but so that's the thing right is this is more of a dead. radek conference if we think about it and this is one of the questions that i feel like no one's ever going to stop asking the occupy movement is what do you really want are you going to work with the democratic party or you know work completely outside the system i mean i'm one person so i was i can speak for the entire movement but for me it's about creating power outside of outside of the existing power structures to hold them accountable that doesn't mean that we're not going to work with politicians but it also doesn't mean that we're going to endorse flat out and these democrats are going to hold people accountable to the push them . and then i think the biggest piece with occupy and what we can you especially with what we're d

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