the teachers union is fighting back and the governor is trying to change things and the teachers unionsying we're not going to play ball. we're broke in new jersey. everyone needs to come to terms with the fact that the unions are part of the problem for what has brought this country down in the last couple of years. >> cheryl: i don't know if you have been to new jersey, but they nehow to fight in that state where tracy is from, so watch out what you say to her. but three people is worth changing the rule? there are going to be lawsuits. this is not a dead issue. >> remember, this is not card check, which is what a lot of what corporate america objected to. >> cheryl: fairly close. >> in the last ten years, eight under the bush administration, working people saw the real income decline. what the rule basically says, it's not that radical, majority of voters working in a particular company or industry can decide whether or not they want to unionize. that's a basic legal right people have. workers have a legal right to decide whether or not they want to unionize. it's a basic right by th

the largest teachers' union, the national education association doesn't track tenure. the second wiggest union the second federation of teachers last tracked it in 2004. 74% of its membership was tenured. >> why should teachers have tenure? >> tenure doesn't mean you could never be fired if something egregious happened. that is a challenge. teacher evaluation in this country is fundamentally broken. >> are the unions on your side? >> absolutely. i went to the nea national convention. to the afc convention. in both places i said teacher evaluation is largely broken and got applause. >> what may not get applause is the turn around. the department of education is offering $3.5 billion to the state to identify the bottom 5% of their schools and to fix them in one of four ways. one of the ways is called turn around. that requires replacing a school's teaching staff with no more than 50% to be rehired. this is exactly what is occurring at fremont high school located in south central los angeles. >> when i first came to the district two years ago, i identified 35 of the lowest

the largest teachers' union, the national education association doesn't track tenure. the second wiggest union the second federation of teachers last tracked it in 2004. 74% of its membership was tenured. >> why should teachers have tenure? >> tenure doesn't mean you could never be fired if something egregious happened. that is a challenge. teacher evaluation in this country is fundamentally broken. >> are the unions on your side? >> absolutely. i went to the nea national convention. to the afc convention. in both places i said teacher evaluation is largely broken and got applause. >> what may not get applause is the turn around. the department of education is offering $3.5 billion to the state to identify the bottom 5% of their schools and to fix them in one of four ways. one of the ways is called turn around. that requires replacing a school's teaching staff with no more than 50% to be rehired. this is exactly what is occurring at fremont high school located in south central los angeles. >> when i first came to the district two years ago, i identified 35 of the lowest

. >> reporter: mark o'keeffe is vice president of the detroit teacher's union which last year signed a new krot with bobb. >> i can say some good things about robert bobb. because this situation was dire. and we needed someone to come in and take action. and he did that. and the type of people who assert themselves and take action and can make changes quickly, sometimes that same trait is what might let to you assert more control than you have or seek more power than you have. >> together let's start a revolution on behalf of your children and children in detroit public schools. >> reporter: critics contend that bobb has authority only over the school budget. but bobb has reached further, tackling the system's abysmal academic performance. on a recent national test, just 3% of detroit a 4th graders scored proficient in math. the worst scores in the history of the test. >> the issues impacting detroit public schools are top to bottom issues. it's not just the fact that we have over a $300 million budget deficit. but it's also the issue that we have an academic emergency. >> reporter:

. >> if you think about the teachers union and the state workers and all, you have very few. >> 7.5. >> why do you think that happened? >> competitiveness. the major employers -- walmart, they have made a success with a lot of people in their factory and use of technology but also keeping wages low. it is very different from when wages were higher. america was protected. there was not the same competition and the slow capital around the world. i wish walmart would change its ways and pay more. they should recognize that it was a different economic environment. >> has there ever been a country in the world that succeeded without capitalism? >> from an economic point of view? i do not think so. other countries have succeeded like new guinea, and tribes in the amazon basin, there are groups that feed themselves and have enough to live the life that they want, and those are economies, but in terms of prospering, getting more goods and enjoying a higher standard of living, no. >> i know you did a segment on walmart. how do you explain walmart and the capitalist system? >> walton was a bri

and it has been led in part by governments that we have also always had at the table the state teachers union and our business community. when we went down for our interview with the review panel we literally had sitting next to each other the president of the teachers union and one of the leaders of our business community. everybody understands that we have got a very engaged community and a whole variety of aspects of delaware life and again i think the fact that we really try to have this collaboration and have all the voices that ought the table has been a real plus. >> all sorts of people at different senior levels, chief financial officers, personnel people, marketing people, retire from business. they are all excited because they are going to play gulf and in about 15 months they all want to go back to work. i think it is easier for the states to attract them because they don't have all the problems you have here in washington and i will give you some places to go look gentleman. >> you can just go down and get a couple of them but anyway thank you for your time. >> one specific thing

union made it legal to do so. further it was an estimated 15,000 teacher layoffs on the horizon in new york, it's the state and teacher union stood strongest against proposed union discretion would remain up to the principals. it would be productive to focus efforts on reducing class sizes for teachers. the argument for reducing class sizes is a study from 79 public schools in tennessee during the 1980s. it was a very good study. the study finds high quality random design and found some evidence student learning was greater in smaller class sizes environment. when taken to scale the result of class size reduction programs have been disappointing. a study found california's class size reduction program has no influence on effective si. for efficiency. the current system is incapable of achieving that goal. it's time for school systems to rethink the way that they evaluate, compensate and hold accountable public school systems. i look forward to your questions. >> thank you all for your testimony. let me see. how to proceed here. [laughter] >> i think this panel's testimony is compelling to the idea that we should give

but we've also had at the table the state teachers union and the business community. went down for our interview with the review panel, we literally had sitting next to each other the president of the teachers union and one of the leaders of our business community. and that -- and everybody understands that we've got a very engaged business community. and a whole variety of aspects of delaware life. and again, i think we have this collaboration and our voices at the table across a whole range of issues has been a big plus. >> let me give you a hint of really good people. all people at different levels, personnel people, marketing people retire from business. they're all excited. they're going to play golf. and in about 15 months they all want to, you know, go back to work. and i think it's easier for the states to attract them because they don't have all the problems you have here in washington. i'll give you some places to go look, joe, and you go get a couple of them. anyway, thank you for your comments. >> one specific thing we did literally on the first day i took

but there is a lot of structural problems and the one of them is teacher unions. >> historical facts.left behind. there is a lot of misinformation about this law and what it does in schools what did you find out in >> i will bowl boil it down. no child left behind is despised by the left but many on the right. there is bipartisan anger because it is ineffective. >> and where can we catch your show and anything else to look for in it? >> yes, it is on tonight at nine at fox and tomorrow at some point in the evening. i don't think in the end it is depressing, we are obvious low coming up short. but there is interesting and innovative things going on and i find the new education secretary pretty impressive. >> that is good. >> important special. tune in at nine on the fox news channel. great to see you. >> devastating oil spill in the gulf is getting worse. pouring thousands of gallons was crude in the water every day. why did the bp ceo call it a tiny leak. is there any hope for capping the leak soon. >>> and volunteering time in the kid's school? should they be forced to do volunteer w

the arizona education association a union representing some 34,000 teachers in the state refused our request for an on camera interview. the state says this has nothing to do with the controversial immigration bill recently passed. instead it is trying to insure everyone is following state and federal laws. back in 2,000 voters passed a referendum that stipulated instruction of the classes be offered only in english. then in 2003, president bush's no child left behind act stated schools could not receive federal funding unless an english teacher was totally fluent in the language. >> in clayton's school district, we do have several teachers who do not pass the flun see you test. >> reporter: in those cases teachers are given options liken rolling in community college time prove their english skills but for the most part the state is in compliance. just this year out of the 236 total districts in the state only nine were cited for flun see you. in phoenix, arizona casey stegall, fox news. >>> did you see it? lindsay murphy arriving back in the u.s. the act res is due in court tomorrow

teachers are precluded from being fired on merit. they should be paid on merit. it is a disaster. the unions and the administrators -- i cannot believe what everybody is doing to our country. host: a couple of issues there. first hawaii is a statewide school system. guest: it is the only system that is a one state system. one superintendent, one board. it is very different. hawaii experience has a different one than others. i think it has been affected significantly by the economic situation has struggled for a long time. it is the same side as fairfax county, which is the system i was superintendent. 170,000 students. there was a time when the people in hawaii came to visit us because they saw as being in similar size and wanted to do some studies to see what we were doing that they may take. the problem goes back to the economy and the resources and the ability to pay for the services you want. it was probably the wealthiest county in the united states. we had the resources to provide for the under served students those left behind that we talk about. hawaii did not have the resources to p

right now, the labor unions, particularly the teachers' unions in california, they are militantly fightingny cuts to their pay or benefits for the total numbers of employees. in fact, just two weeks ago, a coalition of the state employee unions in california announced their proposal for how to help solve the crisis which is $40 billion in tax increases which is enough to make up the $20 billion deficit we have right now plus expand state spending by another $20 billion so that we can hire more state workers. host: florida on the democratic line. good morning. caller: i am calling from florida. the reason we have problems with the economy is because of china. i travel all over europe. the europeans complain about every store that closed down because they cannot compete with china. it is too cheap. guest: i do not buy that. when things are cheaper for us to buy, it is not bad for us. that is the end of the story. as workers, we are increasingly having to compete against the global marketplace, not just china, but india and other places and that does put some pressure on us to be more product

the new sheriff in town, trying to say, look at these jackpot deals that the pensioners in the teachers unionre and everybody else, we got to pull it back. and the unions are really pushing back. >> that's going to be the headline of the future. what will unions do when -- municipal workers union, what are they going to do when faced with serious cuts? either layoffs or reducing in their pensions and benefits. i'll tell you what they're going to do, they'll go to the federal government for a bailout. >> i'll tell you what they're going to do, they'll go on strike. >> there will be some of that, yeah. >> there is word that through the imf, the u.s. somehow will be bailing out greece which is an outrage. >> america contributes to the funds available to the international monetary fund. the imf is going to be part of the bailout of greece. therefore, some american taxpayer dollars, i don't know how much. i'm told it's in the region of $6 to $7 billion will go via the imf to the greek bailout. >> that's chump change in today's trillion dollar talk, stu and i'm being sarcastic. >> $10 billion used

but the arizona education association, a union representing some 34,000 teachers in the state, refused our request for an on-camera interview. the state says this has nothing to do with that controversial immigration bill recently passed. instead, it is trying to ensure everyone is following state and federal laws because back in 2000, voters passed a referendum that stipulated instruction of these classes be offered only in english. then in 2003, president bush's no child left behind act stated schools could not receive federal funding unless an english teacher was totally fluent in the language. >> in creighton school district, we do have several teachers who do not pass the fluency test. >> reporter: in those cases, teachers are given options like enrolling in community college to improve their english skills but for the most part, the state is in compliance. just this year, out of the 236 total districts in the state, only nine were cited for fluency. in phoenix, arizona, casey stegel, fox news. >>> if you still haven't signed your children up for summer camped, it might not be too

and the second part, what impact if any regard to jobs and education do you believe the teachers unions or whatever stymieing those from going on to higher education level or prevent alternate choices for just getting a ged or going to be committed to college. and i have worked in boston, mr. katz. >> ronde, celtic perfect question for you. if you can addressed not just the extent that she has about of unemployment but they have also contributed to the polarization of wage that david was speaking about earlier. >> yeah, i think -- i would say combined effect of globalization and what i recall financialization over the past period of time. it's changed the balance of power bargaining for workers with their employers for wages and benefits. whether those workers are organized or not, i come out of the private sector, and witnessing in my unit that nafta was already -- the last card employers play. if we demand more they would threaten to close the plant. and language is pretty hard to misunderstand. but more recently it was the first card they play. the spirits the private sector workers

school teachers, charters are non-unionized.ied to unionize them. and the people who run charter schools are rather cool to that. you have a lot of problems you have to sift through here. >> this has come to light again. this started when we started talking about charter schools. the double system. the dual system. this is an example of how are you going to pay for a dual system. >> the question is, they are upset because they feel that the formula is inequitable. the money follows the lead. and no matter what, students are allocating a certain amount of money. we get a little more for building and stuff. and the salary will make them less competitive with public schools, which public school actually wants. i don't think you will see teachers en masse from charter schools go back to public schools. many of them left because they couldn't get resources they need. the student body was a problem and so much turmoil in the administration, so it's like they said earlier, they are not just teaching for the salary alone. a lot of them

but the arizona education association arks union representing some 34,000 teachers in the state refused our request for an on-camera interview. >> the state says this has nothing to do with that controversial immigration bill recently passed. instead, it is trying to ensure everyone is following state and federal laws. back in 000, voter passed a referendum that stipulated struck of these classes be offered only in english. then in 2003, president bush's no child left behind act stated schools could not receive federal funding unless an english teach are are was totally news10 news10 -- fluent in the language. >> in this district, we do have teachers who do not pass the fluency test. >> reporter: for the most part, the state is in compliance. just this year out of the 236 total districts in the state, only nine were cited for fluency. in phoenix arizona, casey stegel, fox news. >>> forget about me time. >> we'll show you one cool way to blow off steam that is tree time. we'll show you something that is all about going ape. ♪ spread a little love today ♪ spread a little somethin' to reme

with the unionization of teachers, and i can argue with that, more importantly, with the amount that is being spent in higher education and middle schools and in public schools, politics has always had an influence because that is for the money is spent. host: out of arizona, that was a caller -- there is a story on the front of "the new york times." chicago, ill., you are next. caller: i do not think that politics should play a role in education, but it always has. that is something we have to take into consideration. we have seen the march of republican conservatism for the past 30 years. you look in arizona where they wanted to would -- want to do away with ethnic studies. white european history is what we had until our recent history in this country. it just does not work. you can not only teach one type of history. we have all races and religions in this country. you can not just deal with white european history. if people want to look at history, they can look at how south africa apartheid did the same thing that texas and arizona is doing right now and how that contributed to

, in fact, it requires working across higher ed, researchers, practicing teachers, teacher leaders, people in the unions there are a lot of people for the expertise of the problems. and we try to locate for these problems, these problems are complicated. so i encourage you to produce language that corroborates that increase over what we've seen in the recent years. >> that's a very good place for this panel to end because we're going to call upon all of you to participate in the solving of this problem. thank you. and thank you very much for your testimony and for your -- for your time. i think it's clear from those who got an opportunity to ask the questions that you've given us a lot to think about here with respect to our professionalization of our teacher corps. >> the presidents got on the phone and said to me, judge, i would like to announce you as my selection to be the next associate justice of the united states supreme court. and i said to him -- i caught my breath and i started to cry. and said, thank you, mr. president. >> learn more about the nation's highest court through the eyes of those

we must streamline the process to remove ineffective teachers once they have been identified. unfortunately, local unions continue to fight hard against much of these changes. when it appeared that michael blumberg was prepared to use test scores as part of teacher evaluation, teachers went to great lengths to make it impossible for him to do so. they strongly opposed legislation that would grant discretion to principles to determine whether teachers could stay in the classroom. some focus is on reducing class size. this depends on a single study in the 1980's. it was a very good study that found some evidence that student learning was greater in a smaller classroom environment. however, the results of the cost-reduction program have been disappointing. in california, it is had no influence on student proficiency. what is more important is to make sure that each classroom is staffed with an effective teacher. we need to rethink the way we evaluate and hold accountable public school teachers. >> thank you to all of you for your testimony. how to proceed? i think this panel pose the testimony is compelling

and it has been led in part by governments that we have also always had at the table the state teachers union and our business community. when we went down for our interview with the review panel we literally had sitting next to each other the president of the teachers union and one of the leaders of our business community. everybody understands that we have got a very engaged community and a whole variety of aspects of delaware life and again i think the fact that we really try to have this collaboration and have all the voices that ought the table has been a real plus. >> all sorts of people at different senior levels, chief financial officers, personnel people, marketing people, retire from business. they are all excited because they are going to play gulf and in about 15 months they all want to go back to work. i think it is easier for the states to attract them because they don't have all the problems you have here in washington and i will give you some places to go look gentleman. >> you can just go down and get a couple of them but anyway thank you for your time. >> one specific thing