because it's very different from our speaker techtive. if we think we're proceeding, basically the question for the new material is when and if and how we implement it, but we're going to go ahead with phase a. that's one kind of decision. you have to choose between two very different approaches, that's a very different kind of decision for us to make. >> i think what i'm hearing is that his response to the question -- it is responsive to the question at least in what we have asked and our local power to do, the presumption has been there would be a phase a implementation as we have designed it with something else to follow. * >> is that a correct assessment? >> that is a correct assessment. but i think the central point that we have heard repeatedly from local power as well as the advocates, stakeholders is that in doing that, if you lead off with the rates that have a premium cost, then you risk losing through opt-out customers which goes to your second point. and, so, absent, absent the city policy makers being able or willing to borro