it is a model tectum be grown out and inherited to have this brought of a conversation. -- broad of a conversation. >> the first point is, there cannot just be partnership around incident response. there does have to be partnership more generally. it has to be built into the dna of all the different players. it's something like that happens, the last thing someone in the private sector is going to do is to reach for the binder on the shelf behind them. they are going to start doing what they do on a normal basis. they will meet the emergency. we have to build those organic ways of working together. we do not start from scratch. the national model is a very good one. that particular model of what amounts to a joint operation center is behind a lot of the proposals that you see coming in. some of you in the audience were deeply involved in developing this. those ideas do not go away. we have to figure out the way that we refine those and help them to meet what is a broad cross sector issue. we could spend the rest of the panel talking about public, private sharing. i will call out three