ted devine is a realist about these think, knows how to count votes, r votes in particular. -- electoraln particular. what does he think about sanders in a democratic primary? >> he talked about how sanders the past has been one of the best candidates he's ever worked with in terms of small dollar donations. how do you build a national organization of really capitalizes on sanders ability to make news, to perhaps -- go after clinton, to sound more progressive than her? you may have a splash in new hampshire and iowa, but how do you have something for the long-haul? how do you build that now? >> as he think that sanders is a more viable -- >> does he think sanders is a more viable candidate than martin o'malley? >> i think so. one of the things i kept hearing from divine is that is the convergence of issues. with the popularity of elizabeth warren and with hillary clinton not being perfect with all of those on the left, he thinks sanders can step in that space and really build something. even though his personality is not totally inclined to that kind of run, he thinks he can capture the

. >> bernie sander hired a former colleague of mine ted devine to look at the possibility of a presidential been getting tweets about al franken, senator al franken, again, someone who thinking about it, joe biden has already thought it over, but we'll see what happens in the next couple of week. >> let's check out our facebook senti-meter. look at this. president obama, 51% are negative. only 45% positive, compare that to former president bill clinton, 67% of people talking about him on facebook are saying positive things so, donna, does that tell us bill clinton would be an asset to hillary in 2016 and president obama could hurt? kind of looks like that to me. >> there is a reason why bill clinton was one of the most requested ones as well as former secretary of state hillary clinton because he's not just relevant but he can explain just about any difficult issue, tell you what's going on in washington and talk about the minimum wage, bill clinton is just a good asset not just to the democrats but to the country. that's why people are positive about him. >> jon karl, let's leap to jeb bus