i have no idea what ted devine did or did not do. i understand paul manafort was not convicted for lobbying for the ukraine, he was convicted for hiding the money that he got from you rain and is convicted for fraud that he did afterwards to try and get more loans. so ted devine did not do those lee -- illegal activities, he just lobby. if you don't like that he did the lobbying, i hear you. senator vitter should release those tax returns. host: he was one of the witnesses that the mueller team brought in to the case against paul manafort. guest: that is right. his testimony was mixed. he said we did legitimate obviously would manafort did afterwards with the money was the real crime. host: tom in dayton, ohio, republican. caller: good morning. i've been a republican since donald trump ran for president. this is so one-sided. himavid g trump telling gave a letter to trump telling him comey knew to be fired. your hillary clinton and bill clinton. bill clinton paid 5000 $500,000 in their charity pay tens of millions of dollars, but tha

. >> and jim, we heard testimony today from a democratic political stunt, ted devine who worked with. how much work did manafort do in ukraine? >> my understanding of his role was to walk the jury through exactly how this worked. what kind of work they did. russia's involvement in that work, how they were working for the pro russian candidate there. basically how they were lobbying on behalf of a pro russian ukrainian government which is a significant part of their case and also walking through how they were paid. right? because that's really the essential fact of the charges he's facing is that the money significant amount of money, millions of dollars he was paid for the work was routed illegally seemingly to avoid u.s. taxes. so my understanding of his testimony was to show the ties, show russia's tie to that and exactly how this work was done to avoid u.s. taxes and, therefore, break the law. >> rick, more specifically, ted devine described rick gates as doing things like arranging travel and saying manafort led the campaign strategy in ukraine. that doesn't sound like manafort w

i have no idea what ted devine did or did not do. understand paul manafort was not convicted for lobbying for the ukraine, he was convicted for hiding the money that he got from you rain and is convicted for fraud that he did afterwards to try and get more loans. so ted devine did not do those lee -- illegal activities, he just lobby. if you don't like that he did the lobbying, i hear you. senator vitter should release those tax returns. host: he was one of the witnesses that the mueller team brought in to the case against paul manafort. guest: that is right. his testimony was mixed. he said we did legitimate obviously would manafort did afterwards with the money was the real crime. host: tom in dayton, ohio, republican. caller: good morning. i've been a republican since donald trump ran for president. this is so one-sided. himavid g trump telling gave a letter to trump telling him comey knew to be fired. your hillary clinton and bill clinton. bill clinton paid 5000 $500,000 in their charity pay tens of millions of dollars, but that

>> that's right, ted devine iths one oe guys that's been political consultant for 25 years in washington. he's well-known for making terrific tv ads, political a for different caaigns. and manafort, when he was hired in ukraine to work for viktor yanukovich, asked devine to come over and to run ads and write some speeches and to help do polling and try to help craft yanukovych's message. today from what we got in thure r so of examination withth prosecution interrogated devine, they basically were trying to set up who was the bo,ing what kind of wk you did, who controlled the money, what kind of workd you really do. so it wasn't totally clear exactly what we were getting from this testimony, but the brief contours of the kind of work that manafort and devine did in ukraine. >> yang: d lliam, how diis case against paul manafort fit into the broader mueller investigation? >> well, that's a question that a lot of people are asking, because today in the opening statements on both sides, amrusa neverum. collusion never came up. the election never came upmp president t never came up. candidate

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