joining us from colorado, a previous guest on this show, always good to see him, ted haggard, former ted's new life megachurch ministry, shocked the evangelical community to its core. all right, ted, you've been listening. what are your comments and then we'll get into specifics. what do you think overall here of what we've heard? >> yeah, i think both of them have some good points. i really appreciate what jennifer is saying and what she is going through. and i think her big premise is that she is on a journey just like every one of us are. she accepts that all of sin and falls short of the glory of god, that god is working in us, that we have his scriptures to work with, and it is true people read them differently and people interpret them differently. and the pastor has a point in saying it is his role as a pastor to try to be salt and light and represent the word the way it's read. i do think, though, that the important overall message is that we emphasize personal relationship with god. and the core of everything that we say is this wonderful delight in who jesus is and what he