. >> even an old oral roberts schoolmate, ted haggard, came out against carlton. >> hell is a real placet. the bible talks about it an awful lot. >> haggard has since this tape was recorded, quite famously, entered a sort of living hell himself after he first denied -- >> have you had a relationship with -- >> i have not. >> -- any kind of -- >> i've never had a gay relationship with anybody and i -- i'm steady with my wife. i'm faithful to my wife. >> and then confessed to consorting with a male prostitute and buying illegal drugs. >> i was buying it for me, but i never used it. >> have you ever used meth before? >> no, i have not. and i did not ever use it with him. >> he was banned from preaching after that. lost his huge church in colorado springs. lost his influential position as head of the national association of evangelicals. pastor ted had filled his church with genuine charisma. his own very obvious personal charm and kindness and bible based teaching. back then before the fall, haggard made it crystal clear, carlton pearson's idea was not right at all. >> i think carlton's a g

the problem is that a lot of people feel that christian minsters are hypocrites just like ted haggard who is president of the national association of evangelicals and discover him asserting that the family is absolutely right, monogamous commitment for to a wife is the right thing. what are we discover something he is paying a male prostitute to entertain him. what i'm suggesting that that when you stand up and say the kinds of things you said at that dog track, that doesn't bestow upon the office that you hold as a christian minster of some significance, it doesn't bestow any credit on the office whatsoever. >> i'm not concerned about your judgment about whether i'm doing. >> not just my judgment, sir. >> look, what i stood up and said was truth. what i did was an indictment against the left and the democratic party for what's what it's done to the african-american community. you can talk about the words i say, what about the blood on the hands of members of the congressional black caucus and the democratic party when it comes to abortion? what about the desmation of the african-amer