he was lead counsel on ted kaczynski's defense team. i would be remiss if i did not introduce one other individual who is present, but not on the panel, the judge who presided over the kaczynski proceedings judge burrell. to get off the discussion, why don't you tell us how you got involved in the unabomber investigation and how that came about. >> like most agents, it was reluctant involvement. april 1, 1994, at about 12:35 p.m., i could probably give you seconds, down in the palo alto agency, where was very happy judge, working national security cases, i received a call from our assistant special agent at the time. he said that he just got off the phone with jim freeman, our special agent in charge of time, here is what i had to ask you. how would you like to come up to san francisco and take over the unabom task force, which is been established after the 1993 simultaneous bombings, both of those mail from here in sacramento to different parts of the country. i smiled to myself and said, that's a nice offer ed, i'm good here. i love pa