ted kaczynski, it seems, had his own agenda and his own timetable. >> when the oklahoma city bombing ing, theodore kaczynski was already on a bus on his way to deliver the package for sending to his next victim. >> on april 24th, just five days after oklahoma city, a mail bomb killed gilbert murray. president of the california forestry association. a timber industry lobbying group. in an earlier incarnation the group had been targeted by radical environmentalists. >> the bomb that was sent to the forestry association was actually sent to his predecessor, a man named william denison. but he had retired and mr. murray had replaced him. the unabomber was very proud of himself. it didn't matter that his bomb had killed the wrong man. they were engaged in the same kind of work, which was anti-environment in his opinion. and so it was okay. >> i'd been to a number of bomb scenes over my career, and the last one in sacramento was probably one of the more horrific. the shrapnel is usually what maims or kills the victim. most of the cases, nails, staples, and screws were used. that's an antipe

she negotiated plea deals that spared the lives of the unabomber ted kaczynski and jared loughner, who killed six people while attempting to assassinate congresswoman gabby giffords. clarke also persuaded a jury to reject a death sentence for susan smith who drowned her young sons. rikki kleiman is our cbs news legal analyst. rikki, the jury seemed to hang on the fact that the defendant showed no remorse. >> no remorse was in fact an aggravating factor. no remorse because he sat there stoically. he never shed a tear except once when his aunt talked about his childhood. so he felt sorry for himself but apparently the jury found he it not feel anything about all those victims what he did to them creating double amputees, single amputees, as well as the death of four people. >> pelley: and because the death penalty has been imposed there will be an automatic appeal. >> indeed, there is an automatic appeal, although there will be a sentencing hearing formally within a couple of months. the appellate process in and of itself, up to the first circuit court of appeals in boston, is going to b

that is home to ted kaczynski and shoe bomber richard reid. >> even in the wake of horror and tragedy, we are not intimidated by acts of terror or radical ideals. on the contrary, the trial of this case has showcased an important american ideal, that even the worst of the worst deserve a fair trial and due process of law. >> the courtroom in boston was packed with people who survived the 2013 attack. 17 people lost limbs when the pressure cooker bombs exploded sending bb pellets, nails and other shrapnel into the crowds. some spoke outside the courthouse. >> there's nothing happy about having to take somebody's life. i'm satisfied. i'm grateful that they came to that conclusion, because for me, i think it was the just conclusion. but there's nothing happy about any single bit of this situation. >> i'm sure at one time in his life he was a very lovely, caring young man. what he turned into, obviously, was -- we know what he turned into. he turned into a monster. >> there's justice now, he wanted to go to hell, and he's going to get there early. >> one thing that's still a mystery in th

that prison is home to unabomber ted kaczynski and shoe bomber richard reid. >> tojor development in the amtrak train derailment. federal investigators interviewed an conductor who heard an engineer on a commuter rail said the train had been shot at or hit by a rock. more on the latest development and the ongoing investigation. >> today, accident investigators met for the first time with the train's engineer, brandon bostian as well as two assistant conductors. the interviews critical in determining what caused the deadly derailment. >> she said she heard the engineer talking to another engineer. she recalled that the engineer that had reported to the train dispatcher that he had either been hit by a rock or shot at. she also believed she heard her engineer say something about his train being struck by stomethin. >> the ntsb said the train accelerated as it approached a turn in the track. data shows 65 second before the crash, the train was moving at 70 miles per hour. 22 second later, more than 80. then 90. before exceeding to 100 miles an hour. the brakes heard as it approached the

. >> and you also get to chat with the unabomber and ted kaczynski, richard reid, no picnic at the super max. but i'm fascinated by the dichotomy of the careless, man in the courtroom. >> thank you, deb, and joey. i appreciate it. coming up, a tragic reminder to all about the dangers of being a police officer. four suspects are now due in court this afternoon as a mississippi town mourns two officers killed in the line of duty. >>> of all the calamities that could befall a police officer the scariest could be the seemingly routine traffic stop that ends with the officer's death or in the case we're following in hattiesburg, mississippi, two officers' deaths. four different suspects all due in the forest county justice court to hear an array of charges that could send two of them at least to death row. marvin banks and joanie callaway each are facing two counts of capital murder. marvin's brother curtis is charged with being an accessory after the fact. cornelius clark is charged with obstructing justice. before this weekend it had been 30 years since hatties pittsburgh experienced a poli

and it takes, you know one of these, you know ted kaczynski or khalid sheikh mohammed, or if you believethe fbi, mr. eisen come it takes one of these real sort of violent entrepreneurs to take one of these ideas and how can we turn a little wooden box into a bomb, right? is actually a project that requires a lot of imagination. how can we kill 3000 people with box cutters? and it takes us a certain type of mind that is actually very very rare to do these sorts of things. that's one possibility. that second possibility which is the one i favor having perhaps a darker view of humanity than yochai does come is that terrorists are not very imaginative people at the suicide bombings which sort of caught on in the early '80s and early 90s was unheard of basically before that. and it worked and so everybody replicates what worked last time and you need a demonstration project that one of these things is possible before somebody would really do it. the third possibility is you look at the cyber iran edges a actually yochai's premise is wrong. is a huge amount of cyber attacks. the proliferation

he has also directed the unabomber federal taxsk force that caught and convicted ted kaczynski for an 18 year long string of terrorist bombings. great to have you here today. >> hi uma. thank you. >> there have been grim warnings on social media from self-described american jihadists who boast that isis has trained soldiers ready in 15 states from california to maryland just waiting for orders to carry out their deadly campaigns. you have a long history when it comes to fighting domestic terror. when isis comes out like this and gets very specific how does the fbi and others move ahead in this new reality where isis is reportedly putting out thousands and thousands of tweets daily in its slick bid to recruit wanna-be jihadists? >> of course this is the new reality we have to face and what happened in texas a few days ago is really a symbol of the good and not so good in trying to combat terror. i will give you an example. the good news is if you think about the last few years, the years since 9/11 the fbi has been able to prevent well over 70 acts of terrorism, yet you look at the tsa

then capable of getting anywhere near doing it is really limited to and it takes one of these ted kaczynskior helene shaikh mohammed or if you believe the fbi mr. eisen it takes one of these real violent entrepreneurs to take one of these ideas and how can we turn a little wooden boxes or will bomb. that is actually a project that requires a lot of imagination. how can we killed 3,000 people with box cutters. and it takes a certain type of mind that is actually very, very rare to do these sorts of things. that is one possibility. the 2nd possibility the one i favor is that terrorists are not imaginative people in the suicide bombing which caught on in the early 80s and early 90s was unheard of basically before the end it worked and so everyone replicates what worked last time and you need a demonstration project for one of these things as possible. third possibility you look at the cyber arena and say actually, the promises wrong there are a huge amount of cyber attacks. the proliferation has empowered states to go and attack lots of people which is exactly what they are doing. but we have

ted kaczynski, the unabomber, eric rudolph, richard reid the shoe bomber. they're all there in this super max. essentially below ground no light for the rest of their lives. their cells, 12 feet by 7. they spend at least 23 hours a day locked behind steel doors in soundproof cells. the cell windows, four inches wide. that will be his reality for the rest of his life if he's not put to death. paul i believe i still have you. let me bring you in here and talk about dzhokhar czar nef. sitting in this courtroom, i can only imagine the picture as it's been described over the last couple weeks, as the layout will be similar. once they hit that final question as they're reading all these points for the verdict, do you think his attorneys ahead of time told him how to react. what kinds of conversations did his defense attorneys have with him ahead of this major moment? >> well during the course of the trial, they undoubtedly had many conversations with him about how to react in court. lawyers always tell the client listen the jury's going to be watching you at all

ted kaczynski, the unabomber, zacarias moussaoui from the 9/11 case, 2002. he's a 9/11 suspect. eric rudolph. we remember him, charged in the sent enl olympic park bombing. she was successful in all of those, if not all. >> the difference in those cases and this, they were guilty pleas. the jury did not hear the horrific testimony that they heard in the guilt phase of this case. the zacarias moussaoui case, the government completely dropped the ball, the prosecution was utterly botched, they grossly overcharged him. i'm not diminishing these people's crimes by characterizing the government's behavior this way, nor am i diminishing her reputation. her reputation is stellar and it remains. nobody wins 100% of their cases. liz: defense attorney apparently, we are just hearing this now, specifically requested that each jury member one by one say did they agree with it? one by one, they all stood and said yes. lis, is that a matter of pomp and circumstance? >> yes, it is. liz: what is that? >> i can remember a trial where a defense lawyer didn't ask that. there is the possibility, th

successful run here stating several high profile clients from the death sentence including unabomber ted kaczynski come to a decision. weep in mind again, this decision must be unanimous for tsarnaev to face the death penalty. we understand also from our reporting from ronan farrow that the jurors, it's not just talking and muling this decision and really delving into it they have an extensive 24, 25-page juror sheet that they've got to go through. we know some questions have been asked aiding and abetting. >> i'm thumbing through that penalty phase, the information you just talked about there. i want to bring in ari melber and ron nan farrow standing outside the courthouse there. among the things that the 18 jurors will consider in determining whether he should live or die, the age of the defendant. what else will they be considering? >> they will be considering as you've mentioned under the penalty documents that they have been basically presented to by court an itemized look at every capital count, those 17 counts he's been convicted of as to his guilt and factors whether this was deprafed, inh

including unabomber ted ca kaczynski. shoe bomber richard reid. oklahoma city bombing conspirator terry nicols. 9/11 conspirator zacarias moussaoui. and former fbi agent and russian spy robert hanssen. our deb feyerick is live outside the courthouse in boston. correct me if i'm wrong, is his attorney try to convince the jury if they decided against death and instead went for a life sentence, that this would be a horrible life? >> well, that's exactly what they're trying to do. the wing you described is the h wing, that's where the worst of the worst are kept. although it's not a done deal whether he would be sent there, chances are good he would. whether he receives these sort of special restrictive measures that are extremely harsh or whether he's put in general population, either way, it is very difficult. and the prosecution on cross examination now trying to point out, look, he may not be getting a lot of privileges, but the few privileges he will be getting, like being able to write letters to his family, are certainly things that the four vi