. >> guest: his wife and joe, and i talked to his kids and also to ted kaufman, who is his closest aide and was right there at the hospital with them. c-span: you've got quotes from her saying some strong language to the driver. >> guest: yes. you know, they had an ambulance from wilmington, and they were going down to walter reed. the wilmington ambulance guys didn't know where the heck walter reed was on the washington beltway. there were maryland cops supposed to pick them up at the state line, and they never met them. it was the middle of a snowstorm. bo biden, the senator's oldest son, was riding shotgun in the lead cop car, and he had a ball cap on and a parka and the state cop who was leading them must have thought that bo was some kind of federal swat team guy or secret service guy or something they get into maryland, and he turns to bo, who was, i think, at the time about 18 years old, and he said, "where are we going?" bo said, "i don't know where we're going. you're the one who's supposed to know." so they just stopped by the side of the road, and finally jill biden, the sena