>> those are the ads ted kennedy used against mitt romney in 1994. specifically the folks from indiana, they had a whole series of ads like the ones for indiana, highlighting what mitt romney's bain capital did to the people who worked at the companies that romney and bain personally got rich off of. ted kennedy devastated mitt romney in 1994 in that senate race in those ads. so ted kennedy went back to the senate. mitt romney went back to bain. and he did a stint at the salt lake city olympics. when he decided he wanted to run again for public office, mr. romney man in 2002 for massachusetts governor. he ran against shannon o'brien. and shannon o'brien, no surprise, decided to run by upstating the same attacks that were so devastating against romney eight years earlier in the ted kennedy senate race. instead of the indiana paper mill that ted kennedy used in the ads against mr. romney in 1994, eight years later in 2002, shannon o'brien decided to use the gst steel mill experience against mr. romney. gfc still steel mill was a mill in operation since

ted kennedy was not running. he was not an announced declared candidate in the 1972 election. the president wanted to siphon off votes from ed muskie, senator muskie of maine who was considered to be the front-runner. so the president orders the set up of a fake write-in operation which the white house will pay for. >> there is something beyond the financial. >> should something be done to finance? >> why not. why not at least finance a little kennedy write-in. >> yeah. put this down. i would say a postcard mailing to all democrats in the new hampshire to write in for ted kennedy. the man you could elect. that's the way you get hit. >> so here you get a sense to the extent to which the white house was involved in illegal campaign activities. the fact that the hunt and liddy cuban emigre team that first makes its appearance on this timeline wall in 1971 has reappeared in the story of these illegal activities. well, that sets you up for the break-in and the consequence of the break-in. the hunt and liddy team get a $250,000 budget to engage in surreptitious enter and bugging and

it seems to me very accurate to say that no treasure that has been challenged seriously since ted kennedy challenged to be toward our right i do want to bring in one more thing the publisher of the of this but there publisher is conservative so is it fair to say that you believe in the conservative. the simple answer that question is yes all right there we go straight up answer so did i mean did you get funding from being a romney campaign or from a romney super pac by chad i wish i had gotten the funding from all these places unfortunately know. i'm a. writer of books and the case really freelance magazine articles and i know and funds the ever. my wife used to help me but now she's retired so i'm i'm funding myself and my dog and my wife and that's that's where the funds come right they go i'm sure they're very appreciative it may be one last thing some of the things that you disclose in the box not only beslan but some of your other books in the past very shocking or what's maybe some of the most surprising things there are shocking things that that you reveal i think in the amateur wh

and it's he that is insistent about getting ted kennedy's tax returns, about saying let's get my old secret service agent from when i was vice president, put him in ted kennedy's secret service detail, get him to report back and maybe we'll catch the son of a bitch in a compromising position and ruin him so he can't run in '76. that's what this was about. that's what's so brazen and horrifying. >> how important was deep throat? >> deep throat helped us a lot. he was confirming -- >> confirming is the word? >> basically. like the october story, it started out as carl had found three people who were recruited to do this sabotage and spying and none of them had done it. i went to meet with mark feld and it's one of the times where he said, no, this is much bigger. and that's when he said there are 50 who did this. and that's been a number that was disputed for a long time. all you have to do is read the senate watergate committee and their report. and it's astonishing. they had 22 people that the chief saboteur paid. they had spies named ruby one, ruby two, sedan chair one, sedan chair

romney even promised he was to the left of his opponent ted kennedy on the issue of gay rights in thatelection. despite that herculean ideological stretching, mr. romney lost the race badly to senator kennedy. it was not the culture war issues, the social issues that are credited with having made the difference in that election. the race didn't end up being much about health insurance or even whether or not mitt romney or ted kennedy were liberal or conservatives on abortion rights or gay rights or gun rights or anything like that. observers of the race say mitt romney lost that badly. look at that. he lost by 17 points to ted kennedy in that race more because of this issue. >> mitt romney's ads claim he created jobs, but what's the record? his firm bought a company and moved the headquarters to dallas. his firm bought a company called scm, fired all 350 workers. told some they could reapply at a 25% pay cut. many pregnant or older were

in one thousand nine hundred four during their debate and complained that and it attacked ted kennedy for not releasing more tax returns so here we are right seventeen eighteen years later and he's refusing to release his own tax returns in two thousand and four ed gillespie one of romney's top advisers attacked the kerry campaign for not releasing teresa heinz kerry's tax returns to the wife there so we have this massive hypocrisy here of romney demand and his top aides demanding everybody else's tax returns that they've ever dealt with in the past twenty years they don't want to release their own you know that's going to become a bigger and bigger problem and it is going to want to we want to increase hiring and i think that's a relevant question what is the high end of. the city's iranian are suing not tonight is it tax evasion what is finances. with you know organized crime we don't even know we don't know. we won't release the information here republican seven republicans have been demanding more tax returns using the is allowed to say things i want to show you can go ahead and j

quote no american politician had attempted to us or a sitting president of his own party since ted kennedy failed to unseat jimmy carter more than thirty years before pat buchanan down in mara pointed out attempted to un see george h.w. bush in one thousand nine hundred ninety two and that's on page a wide and so what do you think about about that that mistake that they pointed out i don't think it's a mistake because the fact of the matter is that ted kennedy. launched a serious challenge president. carter. mr buchanan never succeeded in doing anything near that it's so it's it's so. it seems to me very accurate to say that no president has been challenged seriously since kennedy channel and should be toward iraq i do want to bring up one more thing the publisher of this fuck your publisher is conservative so is it fair to say that you leave in a conservative. the simple answer that question is yes. there we go straight up answer so did i mean did you get funding for the romney campaign or from a romney super pac by tad high certainly i wish i had gotten the funding from all these places

he told ted kennedy that he must release his tax returns because obviously he had something to hide. and if he wouldn't release his taxes, he must be hiding something and then of course, senator kennedy wouldn't release his. mitt romney would not release his as well. so i challenged him frankly because i felt that understanding his background at bain company -- his investment background but also because we had just completed a challenge the democratic party had just completed a challenge of his residency whether or not he actually was a resident of massachusetts. >> jennifer: i want to talk to you about that. >> still unanswered. >> jennifer: i want to talk to you about that in one second. let me finish on the tax return thing. >> sure. >> jennifer: obviously he didn't release his tax returns. what do you -- what do you surmise given your history with him and your in-depth knowledge of his finances and everything. what do you think he has to hide? do you think it is possible he wasn't even paying taxes? >> well, you know, again, it is sort of then and now. back then, what i thought i

antibiotics are kindfh cretngreen a o arro ath art g iv p talk about ted kennedy's preservation, but we also have to try orglabgf a si crg t hill and fda backed out and it made me sick becse they were saying wecnt ilken anot.ho wweing is of course they can but what they are sayig is we won'tgiveup prs antmt is ichatis. thrct tta of new york has basically ordered the fda to continue the withdrawal proceedingsor toiz eiionsm sagru b tsef antibiotics and animals? is this a move towards what you see a good diretion gu inks ndl. they have tried really hard. it went up against chcken and ittook ten ears for them to get id fitut hnk ii itr ifcu tg up against the lobbying. i think it is a wonderful end thilkecryde what's hapning e e ie y at animals are treated and how the meat is produced in tis country. >> guest: there are several different issuesepending what dr you'retl abo. inmog iel because what the phicians see as a result of the antibiotic and overuse of antibiotics is lot of these antibiotic sistceowal opndtit e worhva community of players but no antibiotic will work on and what goms

ingredient to lot of voargiha. 8, outlkabo ted kennedy's bill, but we also -- if you try to regulateuse of tiniscoges capitol hill and the fda backed down. it made me sick. theyaid hat w an't rai al cs anddia ducks without it arrives. of course they can. but what they are saying is we won't give up these profits. you know, to me, that is a public health issue. ha y t nt activities, in new york they have ordered fda to continue the withdrawal of saru,ab use of economics and animals -- is this a move for a good direction for animals? >> i think it's fu. i don't fault the fda. they went up against antibiotic use i chickens and it took five or 10 yes for the fda to get rid of that, but they did. i think it's a good trend. youko, vy ifi to go up against it. but i think it's a wonderful trend that we see happening here >> see think this is sething puo och the way ontnueon theyhink heatti suept rian ainst physicians. what physicians see as the lifecycle of a product, a lot of it is antibiotic resistant infections that are really killineple -- you have a community acquired antibiotic resista

ted kennedy had raised some of the same issues in the 1994 election.worked for ted kennedy, but i think people were either giving him a pass or, you know, or what, i don't really know. but i don't think it was as effective, but i think now it's more effective for an audience, a national audience of people who really haven't seen that sort of set of values or hypocrisy, if you will. >> he seems to enjoy the formality of a debate, mitt. what do you think of telling the president you got to loosen this thing up a little bit. you got to be fast and loose in your debate style. if you get formal like him, very stiff like he does, he wins on that platform. >> the thing i've noticed, and i think, again, during my campaign and other places, i think he has a very tough time when he's unscripted. the times he's made most of his mistakes is when he goes off message and i think the more that president obama can actually have a conversation and get him to go off script and to engage him on a very personal level, i think that will, perhaps, benefit the president. >>

joining me now is democratic strategist bob shrum who ran ted kennedy's campaign against romney in 1994 let me start with you. senator reid said he didn't know if this claim about romney's taxes was true. what's your take on the fact he was willing to put this into play at all? >> well, let me put this in context. romney is returning from the worst foreign trip of any presidential candidate since his father went to vietnam and came home and said he had been brainwashed. as i wrote in my column in the daily beast today he must have been sitting in that stadium saying, oh, to be in ohio now that the olympics are here. well, he's going to be back in ohio and will face these questions. and i think harry reid went out there and said what a lot of us are thinking and some of us have already said if you have been in a presidential campaign, you want to release those returns. you sit down and you look at them and the only reason you wouldn't release them is if there's something profoundly embarrassing in there. i think this is going to dog romney all the way through the fall. he's going to have

the race didn't end up being much about health insurance or even whether or not plomds or ted kennedyal or conservatives on abortion rights or gay rights or gun rights or anything like tla. observers of the race say mitt romney lost that badly. look at that. he lost by 17 points to ted

know, how damaging it was to him politically and the thing he was proudest of that caroline and ted kennedy gave him the profile and courage award for having pardoned richard nixon. you know there was a lot of deep resentment over that trip. chris: he was out secretly giving advice to ronald reagan in began's first race for the presidency. >> one of the thing that impresses me in mike's book in addition to the general brilliance is what you see about ike. ike who's a master behind the scenes playing the role of the former president with these other political fillings. we all know that ike didn't like -- political figures. we all know that ike didn't like richard nixon. he advised ronald ra gay on how to deal with -- reagan on how to deal with criticism, some of the things that had been stirred up by the liberals in california. ike is responsible for launching ronald reagan's presidential career, according to the book, reagan goes to getiesburg right after reagan wins the governship in 1966. and in 1967, ronald reagan did make his first board of effort to get the republican nomination. so re

i think in the end why ted kennedy, we can't as canal, but white ted kennedy picked david nasaw is that he saw a model for the arc of his father's life, someone who made a great fortune relatively early and then spent the rest of his life figuring out ways to do good with it or to do things with. and, of course, in the case of joseph kennedy, one of the most faithful things he did was out making some president. that piece of the story, how joseph kennedy was involved in his son, it's fascinating and their arsenal news breaks in this book. >> they're is another book coming out as well. >> yes. an autobiography, a memoir, stagecraft. did is -- for a man who has such a reputation as a diplomat it is a delightfully unvarnished. no secret that he had some real issues with the bush administration over iraq and other matters. no secret that he had issues with the state of israel over the lebanon invasion. in essence, what is poignant about this boat is that there is a lot in it about what he tried and failed to do, what the limitations, but what is really quite moving and not really expected i

if it weren't for ted kennedy being a progressive in massachusetts, i've got to do that too! he is a me, too candidate. bill clinton was a success, i've got to be like bill clinton. this is a man without a rudder. he's got no compass. so whether or not he knows the fact, whether or not he has an ideological side to him is irrelevant, because he can be pushed any which way you like, and that's what conservatives, if you read between the lines, and sometimes they're saying it explicitly, that's what they like about him. all you've got to do is tell him it's the winning way and he'll print up your slogan. >> just for a comparison, i want to look at some video where we know he's actually telling the truth. this is from 1994 -- >> we had to go back to '94 to get a piece -- >> well, this is a piece where we know he's telling the truth and we can compare the way that guy talks about and the one pretending to be bill clinton. in 1994, he's talking about blind trusts. he's telling the truth. >> a blind trust is an age-old ruse, which is to say, you can always tell the blind trust what

returns and said ted kennedy should be the one releasing more tax returns as well. nonetheless, this is not the issue he wants to be talking right now which is the very reason his campaign have a conference call with us earlier today attacking the president for this crony capitalism as we were talking about as well. >> do you have any indication from them, you were on that conference call with them, you have been talking to them, any indication they are going to change their mind because of some republican pressure as well, and release any more of the tax returns? >> it doesn't sound like it. doesn't sound like they will release any more tax returns and a lot of prominent conservatives have said if you're not going to do it, you have to not do it at all but if you do it, do it now and get it over with. the conversation you heard there is it will be done in a couple of days. the question they have to answer for themselves is whether or not they know it would be done in a couple days and what could be found in those tax returns going forward. but what the conversation

team obama put this out for romney's race against ted kennedy in 1994 when romney charged that kennedy was hiding behind his blind trust. >> the blind trust is an age old ruse, if you will, which is to say you can tell the blind trust what it can and cannot do. you give the blind trust rules. >> second that romney was active in bain capital after he was effectively gone. the obama campaign is just trying to change the subject. >> the president's campaign has been, i think, outrageous in making the kind of charges they have. i think the kinds of attacks are beneath the dignity of the presidency. the president needs to rein in his campaign and talk about the real issues that the people care about. >> the third prong is to disqualifyify romney by using the refusal to release more tax returns as a way of saying that the romney campaign and romney is out of touch. romney says voters have seen all they need. >> we're putting out what is required plus more that is not required. those are the two years that people are going to have and that's all that is necessary for people to understand some

is that enough to earn him ted kennedy's seat? we'll let you decide.had each other and he had purina cat chow indoor. he absolutely loved it. and i knew he was getting everything he needed to stay healthy indoors. and after a couple of weeks, i knew we were finally home! [ female announcer ] purina cat chow indoor. always there for you. >>> the who surprised everyone when he replaced ted kennedy in massachusetts wants to surprise everybody again. scott brown is a republican in a largely democratic state. he is running for his first full term against one of his state's democratic icons. here's dana bash. >> this is the senator from massachusetts, scott brown. >> reporter: main street in hyannis, cape cod with senator scott brown. the breezy, every man persona that got the massachusetts republican elected in an upset two years ago still on display. >> thank you. >> absolutely. thank you. >> keep your eyes on the road will you? >> reporter: brown is keenl aware that recapturing the senate seat held by democrat ted kennedy for nearly half a century means d

. >> that was 1994 when he was running against ted kennedy calling blind trusts an age-old ruse. his quote. shortly after the national review interview went online the publication put out an editorial that read this way. release the returns. saying in part, romney is a politician running for the highest office in the land, and his current posture is probably unsustainable. and that wasn't all. former presidential candidate rick perry chiming in on romney's tax situation. >> i'm a big believer that no matter who you or are what office you're running for, you should be as transparent as you can be with your tax returns, and other aspects of your life so that people have the appropriate ability to judge your background and what have you. >> and then this from congressman ron paul, who is still technically a republican presidential candidate. he told politico, quote, in the scheme of things, politically, you know, it looks like releasing tax returns is what the people want. that's from ron paul. for a candidate who appears boxed in to the corner, romney came out swinging yesterday, k

on abortion than ted kennedy. there's a pattern here. i thought it was smart to go. i don't think he was playing to get african-american votes. he's not going to get any. he was playing for the independent white suburbanites who don't like voting for someone who doesn't care about black people. >> right. >> and so i think it was smart to go. i didn't think it was a very good speech. i think the appearance was beneficial for him. >> bush figured out in 2000 and 2004, i think george w. bush in 2000, would -- early in the campaign it seems to me, i remember him going to one inner city stop after another inner city stop and we were all scratching our heads why are they doing it, they weren't doing it to win votes in the inner city, they were doing it to win votes in the philadelphia suburbs. >> because in the philadelphia suburbs they like a compassionate conservative which mitt romney has proved he's not this campaign. >> has he proven that? >> those primaries, i -- i think did it. but on the theory that 90% of life