meanwhile, canadian senator ted kennedy -- ted cruz of texas -- isn't paying -- you know, i have to stops a freudian slip. i have thought so much about ted kennedy in the last few days. because this is all about a big negotiation and homey and i and the team have been talking about what would ted kennedy say? ted kennedy would be the liberal lion right now. so i was -- i've been thinking about kennedy a lot. not ted cruz. but anyway. the american -- look, the american people are paying attention to obama care, and the american people know that this is good. this guy, ted cruz, he appeared at the values voter summit today. and continued slamming obama care. >> we've seen an explosion of federal government power, none more important or significant or dangerous than obama care. the country is engaged in a national debate about the enormous harms obama care is causing, all of the millions of americans who are losing their jobs, being pushed into part-time work, losing their health insurance. >> i wish ted kennedy was still here on stage to straighten that guy out. we should point out that on

senate by parliamentary tricks that were used to avoid the 60-vote issue once they lost the -- ted kennedy's seat to scott brown and it eliminated their ability to cram it through there. again, without one republican vote to make that happen. so while our colleagues on the other side may say this is currently the law of the land, that was 3 1/2 years ago. today, poll after poll is showing that the american people are expressing themselves that they do not want this bill and the underlying requirements and

that what we should now do is what ted kennedy did in massachusetts.hen mitt romney, your good friend, proposed a change like this. is it not incumbent on republicans now to say, okay, let's work to make this work? why not for the good of their party, but for the good of american people? >> well, martin, i think -- of course, for the president, this is a legacy level accomplishment in his agenda, and with a democratic senate, they're not going to be making any significant changes to the affordable care act. even though he said some were made, by the way, in massachusetts. but in any event, for the republicans, while they may aspire to changes or repeal, that's not possible or practical in the near term. and so they threatened to do it and take the country into the fiscal abyss. but when they got to that abyss and the president didn't blink, of course, they had to back down. so i think they played that card, and don't have any real leverage at the moment to get any significant changes or repeal in the affordable care act. >> sir, i wish that speaker joh

it's where then governor mitt romney, democratic legislators, senator ted kennedy, many folks who are here today joined forces to connect the progressive vision of healthcare for all with ideas of markets and conditions that have long been championed by conservatives. and as devall said, it worked. it worked. [applause] [ [ protesters ] >> okay, okay, we're talking about healthcare today, but we will-- [ protesters ] [ audience booing ] >> obama: no, no, no, it's okay. that is the wrong rally. [applause] we had the climate change rally back in the summer. this is the healthcare rally. [ cheers and applause ] so healthcare reform in this state was a success. it doesn't mean that it was perfect right away. there were early problems to solve. there were changes that had to be made. anybody here who is involved in it can tell you that. as devall just said enrollment was extremely slow. within a month only a hundred people had signed up--100. but then 2,000 signed up. then a few more thousand after that. by the end of the year 36,000 people had signed up, and the community all came togethe

it's where then-governor mitt romney, democratic legislators, senator ted kennedy, many of the folks who are here today, joined forces, to connect the progressive vision of health care for all with some ideas about markets and competition that had long been championshiped by conservatives. and as deval just said, it worked. it worked. health care -- >> mr. president -- [ inaudible ] >> okay. we're talking about health care today, but we will -- [ inaudible ] >> hold on. it's okay. that is the wrong rally. we've got -- [ applause ] we had the climate change rally back in the summer. this is the health care rally. so health care reform in this state was a success. that doesn't mean it was perfect right away. there were early problems to solve. there were changes that had to be made. anybody here who was involved in it can tell you that. as deval just said, enrollment was extremely slow. within a month, only about 100 people had signed up. 100. but then 2,000 had signed up. and then a few more thousand after that. and by the end of the year, 36,000 people had signed up. and the communit

bush brought in ted kennedy to see "13 days" which was a movie about john f. kennedy's experience of the cuban missile crisis that made john f. kennedy look good. so bush brought in ted kennedy and ended up working together on the no child left behind law. they were able to get that past the majority. >> who was on the record? >> he would not watch movies with robert mitchum in them because he had been arrested for marijuana possession. he would try to sneak movies with mitchum by eisenhower. when mitchum got up on the screen, eisenhower would walk out. when jimmy carter who watched 480 movies since being president, the most of any president he did it in one term, he told fishe he wanted to watch family friendly fair in the white house. and fisher's reaction was think about it, this is late '70s, was you're not going to be able to see many movies that way. he was right. >> where do you find the information? where does mr. fisher keep it? >> all of the nixon movies are on-line. some of the others aren't fully available. >> the list of all of the movies. >> i'm s

it's where then governor mitt romney, democratic legislators, senator ted kennedy, many of the folksere today, joined forces to connect the progressive vision of health care for all with some ideas about markets and competition that had long been championed by conservatives. and it worked. worked. [ audience interrupts ] >> we're talking about health care today, but we won't -- [ audience interrupts ] [ booing ] >> that's okay. that is the wrong rally. we had the climate change rally back in the summer. this is the health care rally. now, so health care reform in this state was a success. that doesn't mean it was perfect right away. there were early problems to solve. there were changes that had to be made. anybody here who was involved in it can tell you that. as deval just said, enrollment was extremely slow. within a month, only about 100 people had signed up. 100. but then 2000 had signed up. and then a few more thousand after that. and by the end of the year, 36,000 people had signed up. and the community all came together. you even had the red sox help enlist people to get them

it's where then governor mitt romney, democratic legislators, senator ted kennedy, many of the folks who are here today, joined forces to connect the progressive vision of health care for all with some ideas about markets and competition that had long been championed by conservatives. and as deval just said, it worked. it worked. [ applause ] >> mr. president -- [ inaudible ]. for our generation [ inaudible ] mr. president -- >> okay. [ inaudible ]. >> okay. we're talking about health care today, but we will -- >> mr. president stop -- >> no, no, no. it's okay. that is the wrong rally. [ applause ] >> we had the climate change rally back in the summer. this is the health care rally. now -- [ applause ] >> so health care reform in this state was a success. that doesn't mean it was perfect right away. there were early problems to solve. there were changes that had to be made. anybody here who was involved in it can tell you that. as deval just said, enrollment was extremely slow. within a month, only about 100 people had signed up. 100. but then 2000 had signed up and then a few more t

the very place where mitt romney was joined by ted kennedy in signing the 2006 health care overhaul bill for that state of massachusetts. our first read team and others, mitt romney had bipartisan support. the president does not. here we are four years later this four year war as the first read team has called over health care and the president if you will at the ground zero point trying to not necessarily take away from what's happened on capitol hill today but put the conversation what he believes on track. >> right, he is definitely trying to put the conversation on track. one thing today with stating as you said that he stands squarely behind kathleen sebelius, his embattled secretary, one reason is the politics to do that because he will show a sign of weakness for the system, aca big piece of his legacy of his presidency, will show up a bit of weakness if he were to let her go. when you talk about the war, there is a war. and some of what you saw today in the hearing, many of the gops asking questions of kathleen sebelius asked same questions in letters to the administration on nav

bush brought in ted kennedy to see 13 days which was a movie about john f. kennedy's experience with the cuban missile crisis. so bush trying to be bipartisan brought in ted kennedy and they ended up working together on the successful no child left behind law. >> go back to who is the gentleman who kept a record? >> paul fisher. there's some great stories about him. one story is that eisenhower would not watch movies with robert mitch m in them because he had been arrested for marijuana possession. and fisher would try to sneak movies with mitchham by eisenhower. he wouldn't tell him he was in it but when he got on the screen eisenhower would walk out. when jimmy carter who watched 480 movies the most, he only did it in one term. when jimmy carter became president he said he wanted to watch family friendly fare. and fisher's reaction in the late 70s was you're not going to get to see many movies that way. >> where did you find this information? where did mr. fisher keep it? >> all the nixon movies are on line. you can look at every one that nixon did. some of

[applause] >> so was our beloved ted kennedy. so were many of the members of the coalition who are here again today. and they have worked right along side my team and me these last seven years to refine and improve the means while staying true to the end. i am proud of what we and they have accomplished, and i think they are proud, too. and ought to be. [applause] >> but our launch seven years ago was not flawless. we asked an i.t. staffer who has been with us since the beginning, and this is what he said, and i'm quoting. we didn't have a complicated eligibility problem then. we had issues with data mapping. our provider searches were not good and the web site was a constant work in progress over the first few years, but other than that, it was smooth. [laughter] >> does that sound familiar, mr. president? we started out with a web site that needed work, we had a lot of people with reasonable questions and not a good enough way to get them the answer, but people were patient. we had good leadership and that same coalition stuck

me, this is -- the debt eiling is always used as political leverage, this happened under nixon, ted kennedy to attach an amendment to the debt ceiling, it happened under carter, this happens all of the time. >> but we've never been this close to a default. we have the world community -- >> ted cun dee unde kennedy. >> are you aware of the -- >> stop the talking point. >> i'm not. >> i'm till you what we're hearing in the news. >> you are trying to say this has never happened. this is has happened. charles: david -- do you think that our economy -- we're at risk that we'll fall off a cliff, and implode, as a nation because that is a one of only battle feels that republicans have -- battle fields that republicans have. to fight. >> it feels like russian roulette. charles: really, you? >> i think that obama needs to be a leader, he is the leader of the fry world, he cannot just sit back and say i'm not going to compromise, that is not what a leader does, he needs to participate in the political process, he refuses to do that. charles: thank you, guys, very spirited. almost halloween, what is s

senator ted kennedy died. he was the 60th vote, and who replaced him? a republican in massachusetts, imagine that. scott brown. scott brown replaced ted kennedy, and with that the democrats lost their filibuster-proof majority. okay, so what happens now? they don't have majority. they sent it to the house. nancy pelosi had to effectively pass the bill from the senate. but she wanted to make some changes. and not just some changes, a lot of changes. but if she were to make any changes as our separation of power worked, it would have to go back to the senate, but the democrats were afraid it would be shot down by filibuster. so they had this reconciliation process where they changed the law, basically rewrote the law and it passed on a straight party line vote. in fact, about 34 republicans -- i'm sorry, 34 democrats voted against obamacare which was remarkable. it was bart stupak and others who got the law through. but the president was so happy. he signed the law, he found this gorgeous signing statement, and he was like, you know, this is the law of th

he later served as a top deputy for attorney general janet reno, he was special counsel to ted kennedy and served as the president's advisor on civil rights issues. he was also director for civil rights at the department of human health services. tom, you will find, is passion ate and committed to equality and justice for everyone. tom, more than anyone i know, makes every single day in his life matter, whether it's focused on anti-bullying work, voting rights, disability rights, housing rights, the eighth amendment, immigration, hate crimes or human trafficking. tom cares about all of those issues to his core and he works every day to make the world a better place. ladies and gentlemen, please welcome assistant attorney general tom perez. (applause). >> good morning, it's an honor to be back here. i got to spend some time last night with my brother who lives down the road apiece, his daughter is a sophomore in high school, she asked me if i wanted to go golfing at the presidio, i said i can't walk that much, i just had my knee replaced. melinda has been an incredible partner, it's a p

including that stunt made by ted kennedy and walter mondale to attach campaign finance reform to anotherppened many times over the years is that a debt ceiling increase has been included as a non-controversial and unnoticed item in a larger legislative vehicle. the debt ceiling was not forcing the big policy changes that might be in some of those bills. it was simply riding quietly along in the baggage compartment of those bills unseen by almost everyone. could be easily misled by the word amendment. can be almost indescribably complicated. it might look like the senate was unwilling to pass the debt ceiling without those amendments but in fact, probably most of the senators had no idea that the debt ceiling was the underlying vehicle, the chassis on which these amendments were sitting. a lot of times members of the senate don't even know what the senate is. if you're playing very close attention on c-span you may not realize that the amendments are to an invisible underlying bill. and the underlying before speaker boehner, the debt ceiling was so non-controversial that most political re

in the early 1970s, senator ted kennedy worked behind the scenes with president richard nixon to findompromise national health care plan. nixon was facing the usual opposition from the usual suspects and kennedy dreamed of a single payor system. but compromise seemed within reach. >> the purpose of this program is simply this -- i want america to have the finest health care in the world. >> but on the very day in 1974 that nixon sent a message to congress proposing a comprehensive national health insurance plan, the house of representatives voted to investigate him over the watergate scandal. the kennedy/nixon talks ended, the nixon presidency ended and the issue of national health care didn't come to the forefront for another two decades. >> nothing is more important than ensuring every american has comprehensive health care benefits that can never be taken away. >> it looked like universal health care would finally become a reality. but the establishment and business community once again poured money into killing it. >> they choose, we lose. >> the industry succeeded in turning publ

why for three years i say it's a rangers ok i group is qualified maybe we get when you add one of ted kennedy but wish i know as he's never done anything wrong in his life and we only shot i have hired the government should have hired contractors programmers excuse me rather than hiring private contractors and this is just one of several usually the should not have been outsourced well it should have happened the government should have programmers the government. should have been good federal employees you know you're talking to the i write data varies in the photos i mean i just learned with us federal government this is a classic example of where the federal government runs things this is an act around the f.b.i. does a great job of maintaining their own database the guy does a great job the day he interviewed a boston marathon bomber three times before he bombed the boston area rest is a great you can't be other it was all mariners you know you have got your great job . the f.b.i. was running the mob in boston for at least ten years. i mean come on why did they go live with the program whe

out of time on scott brown on the elections back in january of 2010, the special election held by ted kennedye lava slipping through their hands and they used a procedural maneuver. they said don't do this and this is a way to craft an entitlement program and they said to do it anyway and that is what we have heard time and time again. for the obama democrats inside the democratic party, the answer to all this stuff is get it in, get the sick people sign up, get the health insurance entitlements establishing hand out the money and then a moral good will have been achieved. neil: some of our biggest government initiatives have had huge bipartisan ramifications. >> it's always is always something. >> i'm wondering where this goes. i say republicans are going for blood here. a lot of democrats are vulnerable on their own. what are they up to? what do they want to get? >> the democrats are supposed to be the smart party, the science party, silicon valley back them, knuckle dragging neanderthals, that these folks can do anything. the president is revolutionizing the internet for raising money and

cause a default for the united states -- not 2011 -- >> in 1973 democrats in the senate indeluding ted kennedy wanted to attach campaign finance reform to raising the debt limit and it need todd be a filibuster to take it out. it has happened over and over and this president is refusing to negotiate. >> i lived through the budget debates of the 1980s, '90s, and 2000s. in 2011 you have 50 to 100 members of the house that said if we don't get our way, we would rather see the default of the united states. and that was different. i think what the president is saying is congress has to do it's job. we need something. >> so why not sit down with him and talk. you're the one saying they're ready to take the economy down, they're saying they don't want to take the economy down. you agree. in 1997 you were deputy director when the debt was tied to measurin measures for the government. >> chris, in 1997 i sat through ere me-- every meeting and it w never brought up. i know john boehner doesn't want to default or shut tdown. >> john boehner is not threatening to default. he is saying he doesn't want to.

it was not passed the way laws are passed and they did not have the 60 votes when senator ted kennedy died, and they did not have the votes on the eve of christmas and they said let's do reconciliation in the budget and now it's a law. >> in all honestly, they said the conservatives hold on to guns and bibles and we have to ask why are the democrats hanging on to obama care? >> because we want children to get health care. individuals with preexisting conditions to get health care. >> this is about working class families the ability to health care. >> with the default, then people don't get social security. >> thank you for being with us tonight. >>> coming up, is this government shutdown nonsense all going back to one thing? remember the movie "city slickers," one thing. obama care. after the break. >> should congress be paid while the government is being shut down? down? [ male announcer ] need help keeping your digestive balance in sync? try align. it's the number one ge recommended probiotic that helps maintain digestive balance. ♪ stay in the groove with align. ♪ need help keeping

. >> this guy worked with ted kennedy on so many things. suddenly put that all in the background. ted cruz angered him with this. he was out there as one of the first critics. mitch mcconnell was worried about a tea party primary. now much more worried about the general election. so he -- cut the deal that helped, shut this down. but the one thing, we have to remember is even itch the tea -- even if the tea party goes down to 28% of the public. 38% tops of the country is republican. that still means an awful lot of republicans identify with the tea party. that's why in very red districts people are going to be scared of the tea party for a while. >> john, what do you think the democrats' anti-tea party strategy should be? >> i think that the democrats need to lift up and praise the republicans that have shown the willingness to compromise. >> be as strident as possible against the tea party members whose only function is to, dysfunction. is to completely tear down the government, right? i think they kind of need to play that balancing. >> although nothing would guarantee the defeat

ted kennedy never stood trial of course for the death of mary jo kopechne at chappaquidic. william kennedy smith acquitted of rape. >> i would say with respect to mary jo kopechne the kennedys got special treatment there. that was a different time, back in a different age. the other cases you're talking about, the william kennedy smith case, which was the rape case in florida, one of the first big cases to be televised by the way and i covered it. the evidence in that case was very very weak. i wasn't surprised by the acquittal. let's turn to this shocking case. are they getting special treatment here? >> special treatment or not for michael skakel? >> i don't think so. because the case against michael skakel was always very very weak. remember, he wasn't tried until 27 years after the murder. he was 15 at the time the murder took place. i think in 1975 he was convicted in 2002. so you can imagine after so many years had passed. in the end the evidence was very shaky. and it consisted of people in a drug rehab program, an alcohol rehab program, saying that he had said certai

it was not passed the way walter passed they didn't have the 60 booths with senator ted kennedy died.hristmas let's do reconciliation on the budget. now is the law. >> the law is the law is the law. in all honesty conservatives hold on to our guns and bibles we have to ask why are the democrats playing so closely to obama care. >> they have individuals and conditions. >> that right there is this is about middle class and working families having the ability to get healthcare. you guys are holding them hostage. that is part of the problem. >> you kick them back and then it was the default. then people get social security. >> exactly. >> thank you for being with us tonight. coming up does this government shut down nonsense all go back to one thing? remember the movie? obama care. jane segalo after the break. >> should congress be paid while the government is being shut down? i would like to tell you what i think. ♪ 'take me home...' ♪ 'i'll be gone...' ♪ 'in a day or...' man: twooooooooooooooooo! is that me, was i nging? vo: not paying for scheduled maintenance feels pretty good. no-char

but republican mitt romney and the late democratic senator ted kennedy and a bunch of other folks from the state worked very, very hard to craft a law that made universal coverage possible in the great state of massachusetts. governor romney signed that law publicly with a big grin on his face back in 2006. well, today, president obama returned to that very room to talk about his signature health care law, which is based on what massachusetts did that worked so well in that state. the president was introduced by mitt romney's successor in massachusetts, governor duval patrick, and both the president and his friend, governor patrick, talked about what has gone wrong or can go wrong, with health care in your state. they talked about what could go wrong in the initial rollout, what goes wrong and how that stuff can get fixed. >> but our launch seven years ago was not flawless. we asked an i.t. staffer who has been at our connecter since the beginning, what the start-up was like, and i'm quoting. we didn't have a consequence issue, but traffic piece, we experienced data mapping with planne

congressman weiner -- ted kennedy did no child left behind not so long ago. host: douglas brinkley is joining us from austin, texas. you mentioned past republican presidents. this is from bill. as that the genesis of what we are dealing with today? guest: you can say that. most people saved the tea party was born out of the affordable health care act of 2009. that is when they started having town hall meeting disruptions while president obama was at martha's vineyard. television was looking for a story, and it kept showing these ea party people. when george w. bush did the bailout in october of 2008, in some ways he abandoned the hard right, the conservative movement who wanted to see government spending cut, not government growth. george w. bush did the right thing in the bailout, the only thing he could have done. i applaud them for it. when you do something like that, there's going to be a reaction. the tea party dislikes george w. bush almost as much as it does arack obama. host: jeff is joining us from indiana. caller: thank you. this is a great show. i'

. >> do you mean to say you really believe that john kerry and ted kennedy do not believe in defending >> matthews challenges miller's position in front of a live audience. >> i wish i was over there, where i could get a little closer up into your face. >> this idea that somehow his face in my face would be somehow intimidating. and then -- somehow that would be almost a -- a aggressive move toward me. it was really hilarious. >> you believe, senator, truthfully, that john kerry wants to defend the country with spit balls. you believe that? >> that was a metaphor, wasn't it? you know what a metaphor is? >> i said a metaphor for what? metaphors have to be for something? what are you actually saying here? and he just got very angry at me. >> i think we ought to cancel this interview. >> well, i don't mean -- >> playful banter explodes into an old-school challenge of honor. at 20 paces. >> get out of my face! if you're going to ask me a question, step back and let me answer. >> senator -- >> you know, i wish -- i wish -- i wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to a d

ted kennedy never stood trial for the death of mary jo for were chappaquiddick. william kennedy smith acquitted of rape. >> i know the public thinks this is the case. with respect to mary jo and that death i think the kennedys got special treatment then. it was of different age. the other case, william kennedy smith case, which was the rape case in florida, one of the first big cases to be televised by the way, i covered it, the evidence in that case was very, very weak. i wasn't surprised by the acquittal. but let's turn to this shocking case. are they getting special treatment here? >> or not for michael skakel. >> i don't think so. the case against skakel was always very, very weak. remember, he wasn't tried until 27 years after the murder. he was 15 at the time the murder took place in 1957 he was convicted in 2002. so you can imagine after so many years had passed in the end the evidence was very shaky and it consisted of people in drug rehab program, alcohol rehab program, saying he had said certain things that linked him to the murder and the program. they

politicians in the course of making the film -- president obama, hillary clinton, deval patrick, ted kennedyal-life politicians are part of the wallpaper of their lives. they naturally happen to run into them in their day-to-day activities. >> here is d.j. and the governor. >> the next governor of massachusetts. >> yes, indeed. thank you. >> you know, the democrats. it's is right for me. i agree with their beliefs, and i never really thought before about switching, cause my dad has always been favorable to how itcans, and that is was with me, but then i started to think on my own. how is it going, dad? >> how are you. >> i am doing good. nice to see you. >> i think we want to talk about the weather, and i do not know how much politics we want to talk. we get passionate. we know we live in the greatest country, and we need to lead the world. >> and we are not leading the world. in order to lead the world community to have followers. >> if you are doing something right and no one follows you, it does not mean you are wrong. >> that is the problem. iraq, nobody is behind us. >> if you're going

you remember in '94 which was a republican wave year, ted kennedy survived.the end, he said, look, i bring things to massachusetts that nobody else can do. and people said, you know, he's right. why would we want to lose him? and in kentucky, the message is going to be twofold. one, mitch mcconnell is a good national leader. but two, he delivers for kentucky. >> let's look at an example, here's ohio governor john kasich. had strong words on the subject of a strong social safety yet. can you believe it? he told "the new york times" i'm concerned about the fact that there seems to be a war on the poor. that if you're poor, somehow you're shiftless and lazy. "the times" pointed out that kasich has expanded medicaid in his state, given resources to the mentally ill, and backed the mayor who raised taxes to improve schools. michael? >> i think the governor is dead on. and i'm very happy and rather proud to hear him put that out on the table. i think the party should talk more about the poor in the context of our policies and the things that we believe will help li

bush tried and he had john mccain, he had ted kennedy, he had a lot of bipartisan, didn't work out then. we'll see if this president can achieve this goal. >>> let's get back to the obama care hearings, the website hearings. lively testimony from the four contractors, as you saw. kathleen sebelius, she'll testify next week. today she's in arizona at a call center promoting obama care. >> call center, right. >> people call in and they -- they put the information over the phone, sort of 1980 style. >> when you're trying to attract young people to enroll, because what you need to make this work is young, healthy people, the way to do it is obviously, wolf, over the internet. not through call centers. they have no choice, though, right now, to promote it through those call centers. what they're trying to do, by sending cabinet members out, sending kathleen sebelius out to say, obama care is not just the website. obama care is a plan that will work for you. and what's the one question you are not asked? one question you are not asked whether you have a preexisting condition and that should b

senator ted kennedy put forth to attach a biological to the debt limit for campaign finance reform, sawjimmy carter. this is not something brand new republicans are doing. this is part of the political process. obama just doesn't want to negotiate. obama's way or the highway. >> guys, good to sey. pretty disgraceful. disgraceful. they got dumped where they belong. right on president obama's front porch. coming up next, a glitch in the food stamp program sends tar miss pa -- participants into a tailspin. we have the video. ann coulter back, first interview about her brand new book. hit stores today. stirring up huge controversy. speaking of ann, our own anisley, scanning your viewer tweets and will tell us what questions you want to ask coulter. that's first. and voting on video of the day, friend at media research center and hit the streets and asked who is responsible for the government shutdown. this is option number two. >> really embarrassed. people are here from other countries. all over the world. they plan their vacation for probably years. to come here. it's closed. weekdays are

at the ed end, a big line tryino get ed brooks, a longer line trying to get ted kennedy's autograph.hat every one come up to me to get a favor. >> good job. come to me for jobs or favors. they would say, i wouldn't think to ask the senator. the government building where they work. go to him for jobs. and stuff. go to the other guys for autographs. >> but he never. >> he didn't mind that. >> never confused by his position in this constellation? >> he likes favors. he liked the button. if you got to work and shovel snow. he accepted that. favors. looking out for people. he and reagan, different. reagan not a bad guy at all. did not have the personal experience of dealing with people with dribble, people didn't get social security, disability t. education, kids that couldn't go to good colleges, kids going to drop out of