carter is a second -- ted kennedy becomes a liberal hero, and jimmy carter is a second fiddle.ie: and he goes on to lose to ronald reagan. john: it made it impossible for him to fight on two feet against reagan. you could see it sanders keeps the fight up and keeps going in philadelphia, some clinton people are saying, you are handing the selection to donald trump. charlie: who is going to win in california? john: based on everything we know, hillary clinton. with wide margins, she ends up losing. in new york, her margin was bigger than people thought it would be. new jersey, things looked good. california, they look good. win will bethink a a win for her. and then there is the map, which is for her to beat her in pledged delegates, you have to do something almost mathematically impossible. charlie: and then there is no -- donald trump trying to unify his party. with what objective? somehow to drive down any connection there may be between women that might not be heading to support her and break into -- and bring them over to the republican fold? john: there are several objecti

about the kennedys thanks in part to bob who wrote one of the most memorable speeches ever for ted kennedy and it was kennedy's convention not the incumbent democratic president's convention. by the way there was a republican who had been an actor who was not seen as very creditable, but the democratic party won the election. this is the kind of thing that the democrats and hillary clinton have to try to avoid as long as bernie sanders doesn't have bob writing his speech he'll be fine. >> i think you'll agree with me, the differences between carter and kennedy were much greater than the differences and they had not debated because carter would not debate and kennedy thought he deserved a debate, they were much big differences than the differences you have between sanders and hillary clinton and i think it's more like 2008 and i think they're going to be able to make this thing up. i don't think it's that difficult. bernie sanders has said we're both better than cruz whose gone or trump. >> i want to talk about the gender aspect of this campaign. bernie -- i looked at the numbers today. i t

when i was with jimmy carter and ted kennedy was running against us, and i loved ted kennedy, but ifntion, he ruined that convention and he diminished the president's stature. i don't think we ever got over it. and we lost to reagan. i would say to all candidates, be careful that in your desire to be a strong candidate, at the same time you don't destroy the capacity of our political party to win an election. i'm worried about that now. >> and one of the other favorite ways that various pundits like to talk about trump is, you know, democrats used to underestimate -- under estimating trump the way democrats and jimmy cart somewhere walter mondale underestimated ronald reagan in the '70s. is that true, number one? do you buy the reagan/trump comparisons? >> no. we did not look at him as a trivial candidate. he was a very strong candidate. polls showed that. but i don't think we're underestimating the risks today either. trump is a very risky candidate for the democrats. more than that, he's a risky candidate for the country. we talked briefly about the loose talk about u.s. policy in

ted kennedy was. so i'm thinking about the close primaries. they felt a need to want to stick -- bernie sanders, i don't know, how much is he committed to the democratic party? >> i think he is -- >> you know what i mean? it is easy to see he could say, i'm walking away from the process. they've never been that committed to me. why should i be committed to them. >> i don't think there is a chance of that. i think he is very proud of all the people he has brought into the process. you heard jeff weaver talk about that. i think he means it when he says that hillary clinton would be a far better president than donald trump. and he is going to go out there and campaign for her. i mean, i would be stunned if that's not how this develops. now, is there going to be resistance, bitterness, sure. we had the pumas, women who said they would never vote for barack obama in 2008. most of them did vote for barack obama. and hillary clinton helped bring them over. i think the same thing will happen here. i don't think bernie sanders wants to go down in histo

and interviewed figures like ronald reagan at the white house to a young massachusetts senator ted kennedy on capitol hill. and covered royalty reporting from london the wed of of prince charles to princess diana. >> this is a proud day for queen elizabeth, as it would be for anymore that married off her youngest son. >> and then she got married after a blind date set up by none other than vernon odom. >> lisa also hosted many of the station's public affairs programs like the annual best of the class featuring the region's top high school graduates. >> it's going toe about a special ending to this wonderful parade. >> and then the parades. on the 4th of july and thanksgiving, cohosting the live broadcasts. >> all the planning and producers and people screaming in your ear, just before they started the opening credits, i would look at lisa and say -- lets have some fun. >> but in 2004 lisa's health took a sudden turn for the worst. a rare nerve disorder began tale stealing her ability to walk and even talk. doctors at the mayo clinic attacked the disease with a bone marrow transplant and th

.: we all excused.i please be eleanor: president carter wouldn't debate ted kennedy and far behind inr, delegates. he had no hope and he was angry lose,rter was going to unfortunately. tom: we'll get another debate. clarence: one advantage bernie has is there's no attack ads against him. the other democrats don't want attack bernie but they're attacking hillary and we wonder why hillary is doing poorly in the numbers. pat: one poll this week, trump is five points ahead of hillary. it,ence: i can't believe either, pat. 3.5 the average is still hillary. eleanor: the speed with which the republicans have unified him because they smell maybe he's not a big losers, maybe he'll win -- that's what's on here. pat: that brings a lot of people together. clarence: we have to learn to talk trump. john: issue four, castro's conundrum. he's energetic, he's handsome possibletouted as a vice presidential running mate for hillary clinton. no, it's not pat buchanan. it's secretary of housing and development, julian castro. but mr. castro has a battle on his hands because some progressives believe he is

which is ted kennedy becomes a liberal hero out of that convention and jimmy carter the nominee is a little bit sort of secretary fiddle. >> and went on to lose to ronald reagan. >> and carter basically believes, of course he would believe this, but he thinks kennedy's challenge in 1980 undermined him in a way that made it impossible for him to fight on two feet against reagan. you could see if sanders keeps the fight up and really keeps it going in philadelphia some clinton people saying wait a minute, you're handing this election to donald trump. >> who is going to win in california. >> based on everything we know, hillary clinton will win kal kalg. >> by a wide margin. >> we've seen in some places michigan, wide par begin, she ends up losing. then in new york, her margin was bigger than people actually thought it was going to be, in new jersey things look good for her and in california they look good. so you know, i think a win is going to be a win for her. and then there's the math which is basically for him to beat her in pledged delegates. you have to do something that is almos

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ted kennedy caused real damage to jimmy carter. is that what we are witnessing now?> either that or the bow the bk split in russia. she is going fully on the attack against hillary. she is taking it from every side, right? now, she is going to be the nominee, but she'll be a damaged nominee. >> she is going to be damaged. she is fighting to get on to the floor so she can deliver a speech at the convention. he can only hurt her, can he not? >> i think the point is well put. in the end democrats will unite despite the clear divisions between us. i agree with you. republicans would love for this to be the evive length of the tea party on it will not. >> they will not unite. you hear sanders supporters say they will not vote for hillary clinton. >> a higher percentage of clinton supporters said that about obama? '08. >> the clinton supporters were the old line establishment democrats. of course they were going to come around. barack obama wasn't as far left as bernie sanders. reporter: this is the millennial generation that shut down speech it's my way or no way. that's

. >> which president challenged jimmy carter, also forcing a brokered -- >> ted kennedy. >> that is correct. >> it is like covering the white house. >> exactly. all that political information came in handy. >> yes! >> after george h.w. bush announced his presidential candidacy in 1987, "newsweek" magazine released an issue with bush on the cover with what headline. a, no joke. b, read my lips, no new taxes. c, what's wrong with a boring kind of guy. d, fighting the wimp factor. >> don? >> d. that is right, fighting the wimp factor. originally conceived to accelerate information sharing, in 1999 the worldwi wide web wa invented by who? >> c. >> that is incorrect. >> kamal? >> d. >> d, that is correct! >> sold for just under $4,000 in 1985, what communist produced car became the fastest selling new york -- >> kamal? >> hugo? >> that is correct! nicely done. very nicely done. >> on fire! >> the idea for which '80s video game was targeted towards and inspired by women because its creator says women like food? a, donkey congress -- >> kamal? >> pac-man? >> that is correct! wow. >> i love my part

reminds me of 1980 when ted kennedy ran against jimmy carter from the left and the democrats end up losing that election because a lot of their people rejected carter and voted for john anderson or didn't vote. this time, at least not yet, a third party that they might go to. so you have got to believe these people will come home to hillary if they feel the threat of trump in november. >> >> i think you are finding that 24% of those bernie sanders supporters will not back hillary clinton. they will be the stay-at-home ones. we saw an interesting case in west virginia where 44% of those who supported bernie sanders they were crossing over and supporting donald trump. so i think that hillary clinton's comments about coal miners going out of business was equivalent to cruz's new york values comment. so i think for hillary clinton, although the super delegates in the democratic establishment are supporting her, this is still a race where bernie sanders is going to say i'm going to stick this through to california. although, again, she with 3 million votes or more, i mean, she is going to be th

remember, in 1980, ted kennedy actually gained strength after it was pretty clear that president carter was going to be renominated. people are letting off steam and making a point. and that's perfectly sensible use of the franchise. arguably the best thing that could happen for the democratic party, given that bernie sanders in many polls runs against trump more strongly than she does, is for her to get in legal trouble and have to withdraw and they bring in a place holder candidate country would sigh with relief saying joe smith, joe biden, don't care, we will take him. >> bernie sanders people wouldn't be that happy but we seal that and more and we will hope to hear from hillary clinton tomorrow. that's it for the panel about debate question. sphimly tonight you may remember that super pac ad. one late night show found a trump response ad. >> i should have used two emails. >> we are going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business. >> i'll get you my pretty and your little dog, too. [ laughter ] >> no wire hangers, ever! >> look at me. look at me. i'm the captain

senator ted kennedy was working furiously on the kennedy mills universal healthcare reform bill and in summer of 1974 which mills managed to get through the ways and means committee with a 1312 vote. with such a narrow margin he was nervous about bringing the bill to the house floor but that became a moot question a few months later on the morning of october 9th. his life as your mother would say went to hell in a hand basket. his car was stopped for driving with no headlights. he was drunk, his glasses were broken, he cuts all over his face and he was in the company of a stripper who jumped out of the car and ran into the basin in what the cops later called a halfhearted suicide attempt. mills claimed she was a washington neighbor. originally of argentina and all of that was certainly true but she was more famously known as a dancer at the silver slipper where she was known as the argentine firecracker. wilbur had a further excuse about the whole evening as reported in the washington post. my wife after broken foot prevented are entertaining at home and she insisted i take our friends

how do you get the guy that was to the left of ted kennedy to bring bernie sanders who is pulling hillary's left flank so she can't get it to the general back together in a party that is clearly split? there's been talk about republicans and fighting in the republican party. the democrats have a problem. the woman who says she's the only qualified woman in the country to be president now needs bill clinton, her economic czar and president obama to save her bacon so she can be the first qualified woman.i got to tell you, the american people are going what is going on here? melissa: in my heart of hearts i think that sometimes if you caught president obama in an unguarded moment he would prefer bernie sanders. he likes the outside, renegade guy who's an idealist. he's not much of a compromiser himself. he seems like he would have more in common with bernie sanders. >> i think the true answer is he would prefer joe biden. that's the real answer. i don't know that he's a big bernie sanders fan because remember, he comes from the senate where bernie sanders didn'thave much impact on that body, d

lindsey graham, chuck schumer and late ted kennedy were serious about a comprehesive immigration bill. >> so is barack obama. they can't stop or build a wall. >> look, the frustration explained by andrew is real. it isn'ttheater. a lot of people are frustrated by reality. comprehensive liberal, anything. nothing gets done and by the way, boehner is a reason for it bringing up to a vote. they see nothing happening which is getting obamacare. i don't want to get rid of obamacare. they don't see their goals being erased. there is frustration and person in him. >> i would agree that trump -- >> not show biz. >> show men in someways but the reason he succeeded is because he has a message that resonates with voters so frustrated. he's had, you know, his reeling against trade deals for instance talking about building a wall which goes to immigration. i mean -- >> hold on a second. building a wall it's a fantasy, right? it's complete fantasy. >> talking about trying to -- >> trying to do something. >> so you're saying his platform and propels are a mere negotiating position. >> what does hill

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he lot a lot of late contests to ted kennedy. was a sign of his waning popularity he would lose big-time in november bernie. >> protest candidacy continues from bernie sanders. it is reflection of one democrats truly wanted to nominate. they actually do have a rigged system that prevented that revolution. >> we talked about bill clinton a lot but let's keep at it. finally a response from bill clinton to what donald trump is saying, accusing him of mistreating women. amazing that "crooked hillary" can do a hit ad on me concerning women when her husband was the worst abuser of women in u.s. political history. while campaigning in ked the former president whether he had any response to trump's latest attack, alluding to his past infidelities. watch. >> mr. president, can you respond to donald trump today, calling you one of the worst women abusers in political history? >> [inaudible]. i think people are smart enough to figure this out. >> he is smiling, but pete i want to go to you on this. >> i am too. >> with hillary clinton pulli

president went at it, divided right into the convention in 1980, the same thing happened between ted kennedyd of examples where there's deep divisions, and it hurts the party, but the party in the long run survives. >> what causes deep division and makes for the perfect storm of sorts? >> some is the candidates, some are the party. trump is part of the reason. this is who he is, he brings this fire wherever he goes, but part of this are divisions in the party. i mean, there are many republicans who are unhappy with the situation in the communities including their jobs, and they are unhappy with the own party, so i think some of this is playing out through trump, even though it's not all about him. >> and on that note, he thinks that he can do it without unifying the party that he could still become president, and i want you to take a quick listen to what he said. >> we want to bring the party together, does the party have to be together, be unified? i'm different than everybody else that ever ran for office, i actually don't think so. >> is trump underestimates what a fracture means for him

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you know what ted kennedy said in 1988 about reagan.id yes, he was a great communicator, but he had something to communicate. that was a real concession to the substance behind reagan. you know, reagan was an actor, he knew how to deal with cameras. he had all the timing and he did that very well. whenwhen he said to carter in the debate in 1908 this you go again. the election was over. a phrase he hadn't obviously practiced but he was ready. >> reagan wasn't marketing himself. he was marketing an ideology. obama and trump market themselves. that is the testament of the tee klein of politics. reagan did ideology. coherent political system we lived in when we actually had choices. i'm not sure it's healthy for democracy to go from an obama who is a personality. i think it was mccain who said in the 2008 election he is the most famous man on earth. the biggest celebrity but what we need is a president. it looks like celebrity now trumps everything. and if you know how to play the role. obviously trump had practiced on television very succ

the remaining contests and in 1980, jimmy carter lost five of the last eight primary contests to ted kennedy, and in hindsight it was an indication of what a weak candidate he was come november. >> yes. but look at the other side of the aisle, just this week we saw the presumptive nominee couldn't get an endorsement from suzanna martinez in new mexico and half his open party won't stand with him. rarely have seen two nominees so disliked by their party. >> bernie challenges her to a debate and then she says, no thank you, and people fund why. shen the acknowledges he is still in, standing around spending hat the fbi recommends an indictment or their super delegates turn against her which they did in 2008. >> meanwhile, donald trump said maybe he is playing -- he would never actually debate bernie sanders because says ill we debate bernie sanders, and trial to give a boost to the sanders campaign. democrats are going say to bernie sanders, you've had your fun, it's time to go home. >> messy, how messy in philly. >> it can get reasonably messy but some heavyweights from the democratic party --

reminds me of 1980 when ted kennedy ran against jimmy carter from the left and the democrats end up losingection because a lot of their people rejected carter and voted for john anderson or didn't vote. this time, at least not yet, a third party that they might go to. so you have got to believe these people will come home to hillary if they feel the threat of trump in november. >> >> i think you are finding that 24% of those bernie sanders supporters will not back hillary clinton. they will be the stay-at-home ones. we saw an interesting case in west virginia where 44% of those who supported bernie sanders they were crossing over and supporting donald trump. so i think that hillary clinton's comments about coal miners going out of business was equivalent to cruz's new york values comment. so i think for hillary clinton, although the super delegates in the democratic establishment are supporting her, this is still a race where bernie sanders is going to say i'm going to stick this through to california. although, again, she with 3 million votes or more, i mean, she is going to be the nomine

she did not essentially force a roll call vote at the convention. 1980, that's exactly what ted kennedy did. and there was a pretty active floor battle. his folks trying to win over votes, ultimately that was unsuccessful. but there's a lot of people who look at that example and say, carter went on to get his clock cleaned. and that kind of terrifies them. because they think that played some role in essentially weakening the eventual nominee. >> well, as i remember that, it was a little bit rambunctious, shall we say, that convention. we will fight on the issues. and there's going to be a fight on the issues no matter what at the convention. you know, bernie is very strong on going to a $15 minimum wage, stopping fracking, taking climate change very, very seriously. he wants to have electoral reform so that one person, one vote, actually is carried out. both in the primaries and in the general election. he wants to stop the revolving door between corporate contributors and the executive branch. we will be having great discussions. i think they'll be good for the american people to hear

he lobbied hard to get ted kennedy who said no. then he asked hubert humphrey. he asked walter mondale. they all said no way. finally, tom eagleton, the missouri senator said yes, but then he had to quit days later when it was revealed he suffered depression and electric shock treatment. after that, a whole bunch of others were asked, and they all said no. and finally, kennedy in-law sergeant shriver said yes. but by some accounts, he was the ninth, tenth, or 11th choice and it became a running joke and it underscored how doomed mcgovern's campaign was. arguably, is it conceivable the same thing could happen to donald trump? >> it's conceivable. that's a great history lesson. i'm thrilled that you reminded us of all of that. it's one of the great stories in american politics. i don't think donald trump is at that stage yet. i don't think he's going to have to go to his ninth or tenth choice. there are still some serious names out there. i think they all do, however, happen to be white men. there's governor rick scott of florida. there's governor chris christie o

kennedy: all of these movements onlyelp him. when tedruz and kasich got together, it did nothing but help trump win indiana. >> you can't win a hashtag battle against the king of twitter. that's burrito bowl. no. kennedy: speaking of which. remember our pub crawl? it was fan fast particular. >> they let you back in? shocking. kennedy: bernie sanders as caucused with the democrats for a millennia. but their relationship is on the rocks as he keeps dragging the anointed hillary clinton through a primary mess. now major platforms among the democrats are ready to put the bern on ice. many people have compared this elections to professional wrestling. it seems some of these feuds are perfectly crafted so more people pay attention at convention. it looks like bernie supporters are the ones hell bent on storming philadelphia and take it away. is there a comparison to something like that in pro wrestling? >> absolutely. now just now, now it's the democrats saying bernie, they try to show him as an underdog. he's meeting up with ryan, and they do

a bitter challenge from the left by senator ted kennedy. certainly helped reagaeagan win states and the presidency. 1992, george h.w. bush was president. hed the challenger in pat buchanan, and that helped make bush a one-term president. joining me now is a man whose emblematic of the split in the republican party. republican senator jeff flake of izona who said he's not ready to support trump, but he hasn't ruled it out. senator flake, welcome back to the show. >> thanks for having me on. >> you said he's got to earn your support. he's got to change his tone, particularly the issue on the temporary ban on muslims seems to be among the things you find most difficult to support because it doesn't pass constitutional muster. if he doesn't retract that, can you support him? >> i can't see that. he's got to soften his position there. a total and complete ban on muslims, that is a religious test that is certainly against the constitution and it is the last thing we should do if we want to win a war on terrorism. it's constitutionally wrong, and

remember, in 1980, ted kennedy actually gained strength after it was pretty clear that president carterng to be renominated. people are letting off steam and making a point. and that's perfectly sensible use of the franchise. arguably the best thing that could happen for the democratic party, given that bernie sanders in many polls runs against trump more strongly than she does, is for her to get in legal trouble and have to withdraw and they bring in a place holder candidate country would sigh with relief saying joe smith, joe biden, don't care, we will take him. >> bernie sanders people wouldn't be that happy but we seal that and more and we will hope to hear from hillary clinton tomorrow. that's it for the panel about debate question. stay tuned for the latest political attack ad. (war drums beating) fight heartburn fast. with tums chewy delights. the mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds to conquer heartburn fast. tum tum tum tum. chewy delights. only from tums. as our business is growing, and you're on the road all day long, it's exhausting. hi how are you? you're on

kennedy: ted cruz is awesome. comparison. >> you don't want to be compared to lucifer forever. his flesh that's burning is quite thick. kennedy: coming up. warren buffet says he's not worried about what the next president can and cannot do to wreck the economy. kennedy: over the weekend billionaire warren buffet says in the long term he's not worried about whether it will be president trump or hillary. >> it makes no difference who's president. it makes a difference what kind of policies are. but this country can't be stopped. kennedy: he was talking to liz claman. how much damage can a president actually do during their term? let's ask brian brenberg. a president really can't do much. >> in the short term, the system is set up to make sure presidents with bad ideas are limited in what they can do. i think it's unlikely he will be able to do that. the congress won't allow it. the system is set up to keep them from doing that. that doesn't mean over the long term we don't see damage. you can do things that are bad f

ted cruz. kennedy: this is becoming mount everest without oxygen. though the never trump super pac said they will stay in the race, that's their sole cause. but what is the cruz cause? he's blown all the political capital he has. in part with that kasich deal and also with carly fiorina. so what does he do now? what kind of speech does he give tonight that reenergy eyes his supporters who have seen weeks of missteps and spent momentum. i will be curious to see what he can say to reset the race in his favor. if not, does he look at the road he's got ahead of him which is nearly impossible, and does he get out? neil: it wasn't too long ago that indiana was a gimme for ted cruz. it was his state. lou: that's where people were talking about the trump train will derail. and ted cruz would set up his first major victory going into california and repeat the success, and trump was doomed to failure. it turned out to be nothing more than fantasy. it makes you wonder what the that justs and his staff to come up

he only had 13 weeks from the time ted kennedy died where he had a filibuster proof senate.was it for the whole, entire presidency. he had that health care legislation past. he got a lot of good stuff done. and then absolute obstruction. -- what it will take happens when a crash happens is that for the average person in america, reality rips open. it cracked open. leonard:, -- cohen, the light comes through. someone s in and says, here is the solution. we do not have to call an ecomist fr sweden. we kw how too this. one wonders if there's any segment of our society that will be affected stop who will be hit the hardest? >> the people who are in the process of building your equity. we have seen this. have our own recent history to look at. the people who have invested in the stock market. it is in a bubble. , there are market places where it is starting to go back into a bubble. basically it is middle america who get hurt the most. the working poor are always hurting stop the very rich always the great out. some of the biggest fortunes in america were made in the 1930's. the

. >> chris, i would argue shades of ted kennedy madison square garden, dream endures. hope will never die. >> right. you know, bob strum's line. anyway, i do think this politics is dynamic. it is, and one thing leads to the next. will '76 be this year 2016, be seen as a year they have to get a bye, they have to wait for 2020, the conservatives. very interesting what he didn't say tonight. never mentioned trump, never medicati mentioned the republican party. mentioned only the movement he presumed to lead into the future. >> cause endures, dream will never die, was about the movement more than it was perhaps than about the democratic party. let's go to one perb son in the room who most recently among us was national campaign spokesman for ted cruz, rick tyler. what do you make of this conversation? >> i think cruz conducted himself with dignity, class, and honor. he made his campaign and all those who supported him proud. i think chris's comparison is ament, very high praise he would compare him to ronald reagan in '76. part of what happened in the room in '76 is when t

look at 1980 on the democratic side a bittered campaign between the incumbent jimmy carter and ted kennedye challenger. they kind of held hands for a minute at the end of the convention. they never rec son soiled. the party was shown of course reagan was a strong opponent. you go back to '76, reagan and ford. neck and neck, undecided before the kansas city convention and they lost narrowly in the general election. but they still lost did you know reagan wouldn't vote for ford? did you know that? >> whether he did or not, the question is did his followers? >> no. no but reagan himself, if you read "killing reagan," i'm sure you have. you just forgot that part. he wouldn't vote for ford and neither would nancy. they were vocal about it you are right. this is a split in it. here is what trump says. and trump is going to be on tomorrow with us. trump says you know what? i don't need all of this. i'm going to create a new constituency. i'm going to create voters who are going to come to me from democratic precincts from precincts from independents that kind of thing. that's what he believes. is