he calls his strategy provoked and bait. >> ted koppel reporting there. more on the news that the american pastor who has drawn international condemnation for planning to burn copies of the koran has arrived in new york. we speak to our correspondent in new york. it has been such a confusing story surrounding this pastor, who he has spoken to and who he is going to speak to. is the story clearing up? >> he has arrived in new york, presumably still seeking a meeting with the imam who is behind the plan for the community center and a mosque at couple blocks away from ground zero. the imam himself put out a statement about 12 hours ago saying that he was willing to speak to anyone seriously committed to peace, but he also said with this some day of september 11 upon us, i encourage everyone to take time for prayer and reflection, which does not seem to open the door for a meeting with pastor terry jones on september 11. perhaps the pastor has come here without a firm and is planning on attending one of the protests which will take place after the 9/11 annive

here they are with ted koppel.john lost two sons here, john and joe. >> john, i mean, your pain is almost impossible to imagine. you lost both your sons here. >> only two sons. >> only two sons. one cop, one fireman? >> yes, sir. >> you lost -- >> my son tom. >> he was with the fire department? >> yes. >> have you found him? >> no. still looking. >> reporter: bill butler's son tom was never found. >> feels like yesterday. >> reporter: nine years ago? >> right. feels like yesterday. >> reporter: dennis' son also died here. >> both emotional and basically terrifying, because i worked that day, i was on my way to the south tower when it came down, so, it's got -- i have -- and my son was never recovered, so -- it's even more emotional. >> reporter: i have a 12-year-old son, and i look at the four of you and i think, i couldn't bear it. i couldn't bear it. >> i can't bear it. people said to us, well, how do you feel now after nine years? haven't seen my son in nine years. that's all. >> reporter: so time doesn't heal a