now through january 2nd. >> first personal store, ted koppel not a big fan of cable news.fact he thinks it has harmed journalism in america. so i had to convince mr. koppel otherwise. >> so why don't you define for the vast factor audience your beef with me and fox news. >> what your beef? >> i don't have a beef with you. i really don't. let me modify that a little bit. i think there are times when you are -- what's the phrase you like so much -- bold and -- >> fresh. >> fresh, sometimes a little too bold, sometimes a little too fresh. sometimes a little too intolerant of allowing people to complete an answer. >> is that an -- >> does it offend me? it offends me when you're rude, when you ride over people, which you have a tendency to do. >> i only do it when the filibuster or when they lie. as barney frank frank did one time. i don't do it when someone sincere his tried to answer my question. >> 15 years ago there was a crying need for a network that focused more on conservative issues. fox has done that. msnbc has now come along and tried to provide -- not because it saw

covering something important. >> one of my heroes of broadcast journalism you worked with, that's ted koppel and just how influential "nightline" was. what makes him such a journalist's journalist? >> ted is a remarkable man and a remarkable journalist. maybe this has something about journalism in general and what it takes to be a good journalist, he is very smart. in the end there's a substitute for smart people. diane sawyer is very smart. george is very smart. these are propagated issues and it requires some intellectual firepower, and can do as that. ted has and needs curiosity about the world. and really reporting on a store, talking to different people, understanding very well. ted is also fearless. he is not afraid of anybody or anything. when we are building up to the iraq war in 2000, he and leroy sievers thomas sadly departed, his executive producer and say we want to be a better. i said i'm going to take one of my main anchors and put it in the division going into baghdad? does that make sense? we talked about for a while and they persuaded me it was something they needed to do so

ted koppel and i go man. >> it's the tv edition of the factor goes hollywood. you stay tuned for that report. it offends me when you are rude. it offends me when you ride over people, which you have a tendency to do. >> bill: but i only do it when they filibuster or when they lie, as barney frank did that one time. i don't do it when somebody is sincerely trying to answer my questions. it's not like it used to be. >> 15 years ago there was a crying need for a network that focused more on conservative issues fox has done that. msnbc has now come along and tried to provide not because it's t. saw the need for ideological balance but because it saw the balance sheet for fox news. >> getting their butt kicked. there is a big difference between fox news and msnbc. >> tell me. >> i'm asking what you it is. >> i'm asking you. >> so you concede you don't know he what it is. >> we do hard news from 5:00 in the morning until 8. hard news. msnbc doesn't do one hour the hard news. it's all let's push the democratic agenda from sign on to sign off. this is a news agency her

ted koppel and i go man. >> it's the tv edition of the factor goes hollywood.hope you stay tuned for that report. want to know what i did in the last five hours? i played a round of golf. then i read a book while teaching myself how to play guitar; ran ten miles while knitting myself a sweater; jumped out of a plane. finally, i became a ping pong master while recording my d how you ask? with 5-hour energy. i get hours of energy now -- no crash later. wait to see the next five hours. it offends me when you are rude. it offends me when you ride over people, which you have a tendency to do. >> bill: but i only do it when they filibuster or when they lie, as barney frank did that one time. i don't do it when somebody is sincerely trying to answer my questions. it's not like it used to be. >> 15 years ago there was a crying need for a network that focused more on conservative issues fox has done that. msnbc has now come along and tried to provide not because it's t. saw the need for ideological balance but because it saw the balance sheet for fox news. >> getting th

not a media agenda to take sides, but keep a very sensitive in the -- >> the media did put -- >> ted koppelund the hostage crisis. much of the violence that results from guns are guns purbfectly legally obtained. what do we know? where does it come from? all sides of the debate. great piece in "the atlantic" the case for all guns. come at this, the media need to come on this on a sustained basis putting the facts in there and putting the difficult issue in front of the american people so that we can have a grown-up conversation. >> they won't. >> why? >> because we move on to the next thing. >> i am saying we shouldn't. >> i agree with you 100%, but we will. >> and i agree with both of you, as well. lauren is right. the problem with this, howie, on msnbc i saw friday afternoon, they were already in talking about, i hope we have the political capital now to change -- that's not the time on friday, saturday and sunday. no, i totally -- >> why do you disagree? >> i disagree, because when else are you going to have it? this is the moment when you have people who are emotionally distraught looki