somebody overhears that and comes up and says, you know, my former brother-in-law ted olsen might be your man. rob said, well, he's the devil. >> charlie: because he was a big gore guy. >> he jokes about how ted put him in bed for two weeks. after the way that was handled in the supreme court. and so he was... thought that was unlikely but thought it was worth pursuing. and ted has been a strong supporter of equal rights for a long time. he and i approach this maybe a little bit differently but we both get to exactly the same place which is every citizen deserves to have equal rights and the constitution guarantees every citizen equal rights. and he believes that at least as strongly as i do. and so when it was presented, should gay and lesbian citizens have the right to marry that every other citizen has, he came immediately to the conclusion that they should. as i did. and so it was a natural marriage, if you will. >> charlie: just a moment of history. you and ted in gore versus bush or was it bush versus gore. >> it was bush versus gore. bush was trying to stop the vote count. >> c

ted olsen makes the argument. you and he had prepared together. what was preparation like?> well, one of the things that you do when you prepare for any appellate argument is you spend a lot of time reading the cases and a lot of time familiarizing yourself with theñr evidence. so that you are in a position to answer whatever questions come at you either from the other side or from the court. and when you'ren an appellate court, you only get a limited amount of time. i mean, we only had a limited amount of time in the federal court of appeals. we only had a limited amount of time in the supreme court. and you want to be able to make your points really directly and concisely. you don't have a chance to look it up and you don't have a chance to come back afterwards. so what you're trying to do is you're trying to be so prepared that no matter what they ask, you're able to give a crisp and accuratenswer without taking... >> charlie: where were you when ted make the argument? >> at the counsel table. charlie: the two of you at the table with the people who had been part of the