very much embroiled in presenting our case as the individuals that we were, working closely with ted olson, david boies, and a slew of lawyers. it was completely amazing strategy that they employed because they had the four plaintiffs, chris and i and two gentlemen from southern california. but they took every issue that we brought to the table, every instance of discrimination and how discrimination impacts us, whether it's our children, our family, our health, our financial well-being, our emotional well-being, how we feel or don't feel politically empowered. and they brought other expert witnesses into that courtroom to provide the data and the research that backed up every single thing that we said. so if chris talked about what it was like to grow up in bakers field and know she was gay and be worried about being discriminated against by a teacher in high school, they brought in an expert witness who would talk about that very thing from a research perspective. so it was a great opportunity for many individuals in the research and academic community to bring for the their work that ty