john: you cite businessman like sam walton, ted turner, boy, i don't think of them as heroes. walton started walmart, gets filthy rich. >> he absolutely started this business in order to make money. but what he did was bring necessary stuff to working class people at lower prices than they could get anywhere else, and that is a -- he is a much greater benefact offer humanity than barack obama or elizabeth warren or any of these others. [ applause ] >> and then there's a whole group of people, ted turner who created cnn. brian land who created c-span. jeff bezos at amazon, jimmy whales at wikipedia. larry page and sergei bren at google. they brought knowledge to the world, transparency, we get to find out more or less what politicians are up to because of this. john: but some of this did it to make money. >> some didn't, jimmy whales created a charity. he may wish he didn't do that. sure they do it to make money, by the invisible hand as adam smith put. if you set out to make money, the only way to do it is to provide people with something they want. >> one of the things that's

it represented the american , certainly the one that cnn and ted turner was creating in the 1980's. they decided to expanded the restraint beyond american interests to cover the other side. to look at both sides of the story. this happened happened in the past. -- this hadn't happened in the past. saddam hussein and his people invited cnn to stay. other media were included. but it was cnn that decided to stay in baghdad. why did we do that? one was the vision of ted turner, that believed that cnn could be a vehicle to get both sides of international stories. the other is that we had the technology to actually effectively do live coverage of a war theater. this hadn't happened before with 6-7 satellite. this was from your own tom johnson, who had taken over cnn a few months earlier. he used his contacts to use one of the first cell phones, an 80 monstrosity sent to baghdad. [laughter] when the war started, we were able to cover it despite great objections from the to u.s. government and others. my interview with saddam hussein during the war attracted a lot of criticism. dan had inte

one was the vision of ted turner who believed cnn could be a get both sides of international stories in particular. we could was effectively do live coverage of a war theater. was helped by your own tom johnson who had taken over cnn and had used this context to have one of the first cell in as, which was 80 pounds box and sent to baghdad. then when the war started, we were able to cover it despite great objection by the u.s. andrnment and others opponents of moving in that direction to get the other side coverage. my interview with saddam hussein attract a lot of criticism but then did not attract any criticism at all. from being a story that was covered to the moment american troops were in action, ,t became forbidden territory but not to ted turner and not to cnn. i was the only reporter for much a the war in baghdad covering wonderful team covering it live. there were 40 other live television units and the whole nature of international coverage changed because the allowed reports from ordinary people all across the globe. this, there was a negative effect on the u.s. they closed

now consider the courageous, the yacht ted turner sailed to victory in 1977.sing streak, after which hi-tech yachts owned by oracle's larry ellison won the cup back in 2010 and then again 2013. incidentally, ellison just purchased his very own cottage at newport, one that once was home to socialite john jacob a astor iv. now to john dickerson in washington for look what's coming up on "face the nation." >> dickerson: we'll talk to bernie sanders get the latest on egyptair 804 come up on "face the nation." >> osgood: next week here on "sunday morning." ♪ the monkee business. than clari. because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. try zyrtec®. muddle no more®. want great whitening without the mess? think outside the box colgate optic white toothbrush plus whitening pen for 5 shades whiter teeth. brush, whiten, go! no mess, no waiting, no rinsing. colgate optic white toothbrush plus whitening pen. >> osgood: we leave you this sunday just across the bay from the breaker at the sachuest point national wildlife refuge. >> osgood: i'm charles osgoo

ted turner, for example, can vastly increase ththe peace movement. we've heard of waging war. what about waging peace? what about anticipating conflict? what about notot exaggerating criminal gangs and following up with massive invasions, blowing countries apart, and spreading the criminal gangs into 22 countries? al-qaeda. what about spending ourselves into penury in terms of deficits and the $3 trillion over the next 30 years that joseph stiglitz, a nobel prize laureate, said the iraq war is going to cost us? not just the immediate war and all that, but all the follow-ups of the veterans and so on. bill gates sr. and the famous trial lawyer in texas, joe jamail, could easily fund reopening our courts so ordinary people can use them, so ordinary people who are wrongfullyly injured can have their day in court and not be blocked by what is maliciously called tort reform by taking people's age-old rights of having a trial by jury away from them. they could open up the courts to poor people. because bill gates sr. has made that one of his missions in life. he's a corporate lawyer

. >> the reaction to murdock's idea of the fourth network was similar to ted turner starting cnn. abc or nbc. we don't have to reach everyone. there's no question we have a inferior lineup of stations, and we have to get our message across and get shows sampled. >> they had an idea, in order to succeed, we have to differentiate ourselves and do things they would not do. >> fox started throwing anything against the wall not knowing what would go. first things were like 21 jump street. joan rivers in terms of late night. >> we have been banned in boston which i think is wonderful. wxne, pick a finger, wxne. >> and the tracy ullman show. >> it was a sketch show. and they needed something to go between the sketches. again, they were looking for something different. >> i got to have those candy bars. >> you better not be thinking of stealing those candy bars. >> that's it! >> the simpsons would never have come along had it not been for the tracy ullman show. >> ultimately, crime hurts the criminal. >> that is not true, mom, i got a free ride home. didn't i? >> fox was thrilled that it

. >> the idea of the fourth network was similar to ted turner starting cnn. it is ridiculous.s, abc or nbc. we don't have to reach everyone. we have an in fearer line and we have to get our message across and get shows sampled. >> they had an idea, in order to succeed, we have to differentiate ourselves and do things they would not do. >> fox started throwing anything against the wall not knowing what would go. first shows were things like 21 jump street. joan rivers in terms of late night. >> we've been banned in boston which sit wonderful. >> the tracy ullman show. >> it was a sketch show. and they needed something to go between the sketches. again, they were looking for something different. >> i've got to have those candy bars. >> you'd better not be thinking of stealing those candly bars. >> the simpsons would never have come along had it not been for the tracy uhlman show. >> crime hurts the criminal. >> that is not true, mom, i got a free ride home, didn't i? >> fox was thrilled that it was different. they said, sure, be experimental, do whatever you want. we're just hap

i mean, you know, and ted turner and i have all kinds of -- no.snow in new england, in maine, through parts of northern vermont and new hampshire and continues today up there. down to the south, the bigger concern, rain all the way across the south and more storms and a wet preakness. i know. that's my concern. a muddy preakness possible, with inches of rainfall before that race finally happens on saturday. here's the rainfall for today. t.s. lines long yesterday and may be long again today and you get to your plane and it's delayed anyway. make sure you have that app on your phone or call ahead. see what's going on there. looks like an avocado. i know. the severe weather across parts of texas like we had yesterday. seven tornadoes reported yesterday. probably about five again today. >> avocado, a good fat but a bad incater for weather. >> on a roll. >> thank you very much. >>> trump versus the media. it the media unfairly attacking or unfairly supporting donald trump? both sides. we have a debate ahead. you can watch and weigh in. of bad breath g

supporter, former arizona gunjan brewer who backs donald trump, amanda carpenter who worked for ted cruz and nina turnerbernie sanders. amanda, let me start with you. source familiar with marco rubio's thinking tells me first of all there was never any concrete offer but second of all some of his misgivings, he thought two senates from washington, d.c., teaming up to go after trump would only feed into trump's outsider narrative and b, he thautd the nominee should be able to pick who i thinks will be a running mate to help them win in november and not be stuck with somebody picked in the midst of a heated campaign battle in the primaries. do you think it could have worked, though? >> i think it would have worked. i talked to a lot of people during that time and the run-up to florida and there was a lot of excitement for this idea. it would have unified the party. it would have presented a clear alternative to donald trump, the republicans conservatives establishment both wings of the party coming together. it was really a missed opportunity and there's a lot of frustration, people who believed that rubi

turner, lanhee chen, tana goertz, and mow elleithee. he says that he saw people cheering in new jersey after 9/11. he suggested tedd in jfk's assassination, and he still doesn't know if obama was born in the u.s. he was by the way. is trump a conspiracy theoryist? >> no, he's not. he just lieshkes to get people thinking and doing their own research to find out the facts. he believes that for vince foster to go -- to have, you know, wake up -- not wake up but to be labelled suicide, there should have been more than five investigations. he thinks washington, d.c. should have done 500 investigations to actually find out what really happened. i mean a top white house guide -- aide doesn't go missing like that. so he just wants people to be doing more research, i guess. >> tana, don't i think five investigations are really -- i mean that's kind of a lot. >> enough? no. >> do you expect them to do an investigation until they find something that's not there or find something that suits the other side for someone who believes in a conspiracy theory? >> no. i just think that washington, d.c. to only have five investigation