we talked about the ted williams example. ted williams left behind a baseball career to go fly jets in the korean war. muhammad ali left behind a boxing career because of religious conviction. we've already heard it referenced more than once today and you've spoken beautifully about the colleges he toured and how active he tried to stay during that period. >> well, it's remarkable, because muhammad ali, in so many respects, is a person of contradictions. he wasn't book smart, he never was book smart, but he had this remarkable ability to hear political ideas and arguments and internalize them, and then make them his own, in a way with that was poetical, and witty and convincing and disarming. so it's 1968. his passport is taken away. he's facing five years behind bars in a federal prison. he could have very easily become a hermit in those circumstances. instead, he took it to the streets and he took it to the campuses. >> this is the daughter of malcolm x speaking right now. >> -- muhammad ali and his family and their thought

thank you. >> thank you. >> get right back to our legal panel, ted williams and katie phang. ted, first to you, the statements -- should that statement come in. >> absolutely not. >> that's a co-defendant police officer that's already been tried who made a statement to supposedly to an investigator -- >> -- unrecorded. >> unrecord to do another police officer. >> made unrecorded statement. now the police officer will want to get on the stand and say officer porter said this : that the guy couldn't breathe, which is very prejudicial in this case. it shouldn't come in. it is inadmissible hearsay. and i think that judge williams is not going to permit that statement to come in. >> katie? >> prosecution has an uphill battle. their response in opposition to this claim that it's hearsay is that that statement made by porter to detective kyl is that he couldn't breathe. inexpickably intertwined and they need it. pre-trial motions. whether judge williams rules in the favor of defense can s. going to be key because it has to do with timing. greta just mentioned this. it has to do with

criminal defense attorney ted williams. thank you for joining us.s. i'm sure we'll check back in with you there a the scene. >> thank you.ou. > coming up later we'll be joined by rick kirschner whokirs will talk about today's events as we learn more about the shooting. he's at 6:30. am have taken to social media to give their thoughts on the shooting. donald trump with strong words, is president obama going to finally mention the word islamic terrorism. if he doesn't he should immediately resign in disgrace. hillaryry clinton to the lggt community, you have thousands of alleys across the country.coun mayor bowser expressing her sorrow and said that she and cathy lanier talked about increased security during today's gay pride parade. the victims of the orlandoorla shooting were remembered todays ahead of capital pride festivalt pausing for a moment to honor the victims before the concert kicked off. celebrating the privileged festivities did so with aes heavy heart. marina maracco with reaction. >>reporter: hey, jim, the good news is that d.c. pride co

we will go to "on the record's" ted williams. he was also inside the courthouse today and before ted was a lawyer he was fan tag tastic homicide detective. who would know this better inside and out. i was listening to that report and you were there today, wait a second. doesn't sound like that went so well with the medical examiner. it looks like sticking to their guns and then all of a sudden on, you know, cross, admitting can't say how it happened. >> kimberly, you're absolutely right. as we know and our viewers know, goodson is on trial for having given freddie gray a rough ride. well, they needed to connect the dots, kimberly, so what they did was put the medical examiner, carol allen on. yes, she could testify that his neck was broken, but on cross-examination, withering cross-examination, she was not age -- able to say, when where and thousand happened. she was left, kimblerly to speculate. and as you and i know that's not going to work in this case. >> if i was the defense attorney, i'm saying hello, reasonable doubt, you

criminal homicide detective and criminal defense attorney ted williams goes "on the record."you know, my first eyes would be on the zoo. i mean, what kind of fence is there to prevent the public or, you know, because children are, you know, they are unpredictable. >> you are absolutely right. i think jack hanna put it in place. he said that for 30 to 40 years there have been barriers. but the question is. >> what kind of pairier? >> that's the big question. what kind of barrier? greta, the big major question that everybody wants or is asking is should the mother be charged? i think we have to step back, take the emotions out of this and remember, kids will get away from parents in a nano second. for this kid to get through that barrier, under that barrier and get into that motor i would have to look really at the zoo. >> all right. i agree. i totally agree. parents, kids get lost all the time and break away. they are totally unpredictable. the fencing does -- i would like to take a better look at the fence. how does a three or four year old child get over a fence? we are not

. >> i was thinking as a fellow boston ian, ted williams, people wondered how many times he would have hit a home run because of all the time he lost serving his country. think about ali for four years electing not to serve his country. >> one of the great contradictions. the difference between ted williams and mohammad ali is the difference in the wars they were confronted with. yeah. i don't know what those missing years would have been like. i do remember right before it all hit the fan "sports illustrated" ran this incredible series of pictures which at that point were straight of the art using strobe lights and time lapse photography and things to demonstrate how fast and how athletic he really was before he went away. >> incredibly fast. and, charlie, i was just going to add that it is his decision about vietnam, his conviction about vietnam. that was a tough sell. it was seen as anything as courageous at the time. it was polarizing. it was chewing up thousands of our young man every year. a very tough time in society. dave, you want in on this conversation. >> absolutely. you me

but you know, the difference between ted williams and muhammad ali is the difference in the wars theyere confronted with. yeah, i don't know what those missing years would have been like. i do remember that right before it all hit the fan, "sports illustrated" ran this incredible series of pictures which were at that point state-of-the-art using strobe lights and time lapse photographer and things that demonstrated how fast and how athletic he really was before he went away >> he incredibly fast. charlie, i was just going to add that it is his guaigs vietnam. his conviction about vietnam. again, especially those of us growing up in military families, that was a rel tough sell. it was seen as anything but courage jus at the time. it was such a polarizing conflict. it was chewing up hundreds of eventually thousands of our young men every year. a very tough time in society. dave ziron, you want in on this conversation. >> you mentioned the war in vietnam. one of the undersold part of ali's history is 1967, he's banned frif boxing. he really has nobody in his corner. the money's running o

>> i was just thinking, as a fellow bostonian, ted williams, everybody always wondered how many homeuns he would have hit, because of all the time he lost serving his country and think of how greater ali's legacy would be if he hadn't lost nearly four years because he elected not to serve his country. >> well, once again, one ever the great contradictions. but the difference between ted williams and muhammad ali is the difference in the wars they were confronted with. yeah, i don't know what those missing years would have been like. i do remember that right before it all hit the fan, "sports illustrated" ran this incredible series of pictures which were at that point, state of the art, using strobe lights and time-lapse photography and things, that demonstrated how fast and how athletic he really was, before he went away. >> incredibly fast. and charlie, i was just going to add that it is his decision about vietnam, his conviction about vietnam, again especially those of us growing up in military families, that was a real tough sell. it was seen as anything but courageous at the time

and above all, like ted williams said, above all, be natural. >> yep.s what we all say. >>> now we have a sad story about pat summitt passing today. she was approached by higher-ups at tennessee and she didn't have any interest in coaching the men's team and she said, why, is that a st that's summitt. she put women's basketball on the map. started coaching at tennessee in 1974, saved almost four decades. she won eight national titles, 1,098 games. the most by male or female basketball coach. she was inducted in the hall of fame. she fought dementia until the end. she died at the age of 64. maryland state coach bren ta frese saying -- >> "our thoughts are with pat's family and the tennessee family. just like a lot of young girls, i grew up admiring her and she's a big reason i'm in this business. her legal see will live on and she will be you're a little kid in high school and see all of the top college players, i stood and looked and just shook her hand. she's like, how you doing? i'm just like -- >> she was involved in the life of the players and dedic

with us is ted williams and katie phang. katie, would you have dismissed this case like this?> i'm not familiar with the legal concept as a prosecutor that because you sweat in a football field that that means you didn't commit a crime. you know, the amount of the marijuana, eh, if they were in colorado, they wouldn't get in trouble. the stolen handgun? i got a problem with that the 45 caliber, i got a problem with that the 9-millimeter, i mean, these are serious situations. jerry jones, no relation to the dallas cowboys football owner. you know, jerry jones says he is going to take a light hand to nonviolent offenders. these are not children or juveniles. actual kids in college. it's just no secret here the fact he thought because they played football was some mitt gator. i don'tmitigator. i think he has a battle later upon he is set ago precedent like. this i would have done with jerry jones. i take my hat off to jerry jones. young people unfortunately get in trouble. you had these two athletes playing football. a lot of people have stayed out of trouble for the incentive of

what happened on day one of officer goodson's trial we go to "on the record's" expert ted williams. he was also inside the courthouse today. before ted was a lawyer, i will remind you that he was an officer as well. all right. ted, thank you. let's talk about this because this is really fascinating. a lot of people felt this was overcharged to begin with definitely overpromising and under delivering with the first two trials. now you have got this one and it's a complicated legal issue with depraved heart murder. haven't tried those cases, right? we know. >> oh, absolutely. and the thing about this is being tried by the court, kimberly, you know how that is. >> oh, yeah. >> there is a big debate around here as to whether this case should have gone to a jury, but judge barry williams, know relations but a brilliant jurist is doing a very good job in this case. but, the question is county prosecution prove beyond a reasonable doubt that freddie gray's neck was broken as a result of a rough ride by police officer goodson? >> yeah, and, you know, you have been inside that courtroom. i m

"on the record" locally panel is here, former homicide detective and criminal defense attorney ted williams former prosecutor katy phang. actually, the witness impact statement is about 12 pages long and it is chilling as she describes the impact on her. but, tell me, would you have given this rapist, he was convicted of rape six months and of course if he has good behavior he gets out in three. >> greta, absolutely not. we are all responsible for our actions. this so-called rapist is saying that he got drunk and that he was behind a building with an unconscious woman raping her. and to give him six months, this is a miscarriage of justice. i really think that something should happen to the judge. i know they are moving for a recall and i hope he is recalled. if this is the way he judges out in santa clara, california. >> is he up for re-election tomorrow. i should add to it the rapist had the wherewithal when two people came upon him to take off and run. katie, six months down to three months with good behavior. would you have given this student that? >> as a former prosecutor, i find it t

walt disney's unfrozen head will be playing poke we are ted williams. 75 years is a long time to waitor e-mails. consider the stuff that took way less time. the interstate highway system, 35 years. binge watching "house of cards," and "the sopranos," 12 kaydays. the fall of the longest human mattress domino chain, 13 minutes. wow. human mattress, after all, was my nickname. the cold war, 44 years. the civil war, four years. the revolutionary war, eight years. the industrial revolution, 70. in fact, it took roughly 75 years to go from flapping wings on a bicycle to this. >> that's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. >> we can send a man to the moon, allegedly, surely the state department can unload the e-mails in under 75 years. but maybe they just don't want to. it's like me trying to get a table at the olive garden. they always say, mr. gutfeld, it's going to be a while, going to be a while. but i know they don't want to serve me. it's so unfair. i fell on that bread stick. [ laughter ] which is exactly what i told the emergency room. >>> all right. bernie, i'm going

"on the record's" griff jenkins and ted williams tracked down is seddique mateen. >> my son, the innocent people, the 52 people that got injured were all victim of terrorism. why? my son called what i learned from the media that he pledged for isis. if there wasn't such a thing as isis, and especially the youngster not learning from isis all these terrible acts of horrible act this would not have happened. >> how did your son become a victim of isis? >> because this conclusion to sympathize with isis. i wish you could have talked about the son, the 3 and a half-year-old is now asking about his father, his wife, me as a father, mother, family, sympathize with me? no. we have nothing to do with that not his family. he sympathized with isis. where did he learn isis? how did he come up with isis idea? that's terrorism idea, the terrorist activity isis is the most horrible terrorism group on the face of the group or any terrorist group should be eliminated. >> do you believe that your son struggled with personal issues, possibly sexuality that made him more susceptible to the influence of isis

ted williams and former prosecutor katy phang ted, first to you. as the chief lawyer on this case and criminal investigation, should she take herself off it? >> let me say my friend, laura ingraham is too nice in regards to what she has had to say. >> i think the attorney general has compromised the integrity of any independent decision that she could make in this investigation. greta, i don't care how private or grand mother it was. it's the appearance. hillary clinton is under investigation by the fbi. loretta lynch is in the position where she is going to have to at some stage make a decision one way or another concerning the prosecution of hillary clinton. and to meet with the president's -- with the potential candidate's husband under this circumstance she needs to recuse herself and i guarantee you the drums are going to beat lookout for her to do so. >> katie? >> you have to avoid the appearance of impropriety as an attorney and especially as the attorney general of the united states. how much more important would it be for her to avoid this

former homicide detective and katy ted williams and katie phang. this was a bench trial and not a jury trial. tell me. >> hi, greta. this was a packed courtroom and you couldn't hear a pin drop when judge barry williams sat down and read his 39 page decision where he ruled that the prosecution did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. that officer caesar goodson gave freddie gray a rough ride. this watt a sounding defeat for marilyn mosby, the prosecutor who rushed to judgment in bringing these charges and, get, tonight, the big question is will she drop the charges nit light of the fact that caesar broad son was her best chance for getting a conviction in this cases? >> another question should be should she resign tonight? she has spent a fortune and didn't do much of an investigation. had you could you get two acquittings and. she made the case political in the beginning. what in the world is marilyn moseley doing as state prosecutor there. >> she has exhibited professional lack of security at this point is she going to lick her wounds

"on the record" ted williams and griff jenkins inside the courthouse. griff today? >> this case began with the prosecution alleging that goodson gave gray a rough ride and this trial ended today closing argue. wells a frustrated williams asking the prosecution for evidence that goodson indeed gave an intentional rough ride to gray. it's bizarre in the prosecution has -- closing arguments on the fact that goodson was criminally negligent to seat belt and call for medicine. >> ted, you and i are both lawyers and we discussed before that we thought it was senator to go bench trial on last one. this one the judge decides and not a jury. this time, since it's the one who has the more serious charges. but i guess i'm surprise they'd did a bench trial and not a jury trial. >> i'm absolutely surprised that he did a bench trial. i thought that if you are going to do anything with goodson that you would at least put this in the hands of a jury. >> you have 12 people to decide the case not just one. >> absolutely. this is the thing, judge williams, i think was bri

he also said his grandfather who had dud ted williams as his hitting coach influenced the way he approachesnd spoken to pat gillick. >> i've talked to pat few times. he's been out at my games, and, you know, it's been -- it's been really cool getting to talk to him and an honor. i've talked to plenty of guys in the organization, you know, a lot of them i can't remember the names of, but definitely been a lot of conversations with their personnel. >> suspensions were handed down by baseball for the incident tuesday night when the pitcher from kansas steven which are rah through at machado. venture what gets nine games and machado who game after him four game suspension. different kind of race to england. and what it is the 43rd annual sack race. 30-pound sack of wool on your back up the steepest hill in tuttle berry, england. to hundred 40 yards. do they have nothing to do with their lives? >> you love those things they do over there. >> i know. it's just perfect thing. it's good exercise but somehow that guy doesn't look like he got enough. >> yeah. >> i want to see you market street going

. >> former homicide detective and criminal defense attorney ted williams. former prosecutor katy phang. so much to discuss. people are abuzz about this, ted. not too happy. saying it was kind of, you know, out of line to mention the judge's ethnicity. the judge's heritage and then to suggest that there was a conflict of interest how do you call it. >> i would like to ask, mr. trump, have you no shame, sir? you are running to be commander in chief. not thug in chief or intimidator in chief to call this judge out, you're attacking the rule and the fabric of our society, meaning the rule of law. what are you gonna do if you get a black judge in a discrimination case? you're going to ask him to remove himself. or let's say you got a woman. this is very troubling and i would expect more and i would hope that at some stage, mr. trump will act matured and walk this back. >> okay, katy, so obviously as you see emotions are running high in this regard. we all have been officers of the court, respect the rule of law, the courtrooms, the best judicial system. you know,

"on the record's" ted williams is live outside the killer's home. before ted became a lawyer he was a cop. ted, i think this is odd because why -- i mean, typically if they were suspicious of the wife they would have arrested held her and then convened a grand jury. do you think it's strange? >> you know, it is absolutely strange and incomprehensible. they -- apparently appears have enough on the wife, certainly to hold her. it is a mystery as to why she would be let loose. but, greta. >> she is free. >> yes. she is free. you have to wonder why. if she knew or had reason to know of this plot. if she went out and helped him get ammunition, if she went with him to various soft targets like disney and this restaurant, the pulse, if she was there at one time that is clearly sufficient enough evidence to hold her. >> well, just so the viewers are aware that is that in order to be an aider and abetter is not just enough that you knew something and sat there silent, you have to assist it in some way. so, if she drove him to where i am, where the pulse is, a

. >>> joining us for insight and perspective is ted williams, a former police officer here in the district of columbia now a criminal defense attorney and james woolsey. welcome to you both. >> first to you, you listened to these press conferences and you're trying to read between the lines. clearly this person was well trained or at least well prepared. he went in with an objective and that's what we can glean from this early on. >> well, that certainly seems to be the case and it's also very early in ramadan, there are other indications that this might be islamist terrorism and not just as the administration said of major hassan back at fort hood some years ago, workplace violence when he had his jihadi business cards and was shouting allahu akbar as he murdered his fellow soldiers, we don't have anything quite that clear here and we need to make sure that it is correct if we say that it was islamist terrorism or that he was a jihadi, but that option is certainly a live one. we need to stay a tren testify to the possibility. >> it was surprising, wasn't it, to hear the fbi that early ans

. >> "on the record" ted williams was here. before he was a criminal defense attorney he was a cop.oes both ways. there is excessive force we have seen examples of that and also police officers taking a beating from the public. both ways. >> as you said it goes both ways, i'm happy that there is this kind of transparency . what the public don't realize corrections officers have the most dangerous job in america. >> especially when you are taking care of lifers, have nothing to lose. they can't get more time they get feces and urine thrown on them. indesents exposure in there. there is a great deal that goes on the public only sees one side. what the sheriff sees here is that he is giving the public another side of the story but also given transparency and i think that's good for the public. seeing this inside a correctional facility but on the street. goes both ways. a lot of police officers who have people if not mistreated incredibly rude to police. some nasty. >> there is a question as to respect that law enforcement officers are given these days and if you look at it and don't p

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