i feel that we should keep that open and president teddy roosevelt negotiated with cuba and i thought that was ours. why do we have to build and put money into other prisons and get these terrorist killers on our soil? and i respectfully ask you, why you voted to close it? i really am befuddled. thank you. >> first of all guantanamo bay is a symbol throughout the world of mistreatment of prisoners. now, my friends, it is. let me just tell you a story real quick and we all have the right to disagree. i was in a prison camp in iraq with senator lindsay graham who's an air force lawyer, we arranged to meet with a former

lincoln, garfield, mckinley, teddy roosevelt was shot at, fdr was shot at and they shot the mayor of chicago by accident. harry truman was shot at. jack kennedy was killed. jerry ford was shot at twice. ronald reagan was almost killed had it not been for the secret service agent, he would have been dead. we live in a dangerous society when it comes to elected officials. let's not make it more dangerous. it's a free country. are you armed? >> this is d.c. >> are you a birther? >> i was born. >> do you believe the president was born in this country? >> i have no opinion one way or the other. >> you're not part of that crowd, are you? just tell me. >> i'm a second amendment advocate. >> but you're not part of that crowd you're not one of those people that doubts. are you one of those people that doubts he's a legitimate american? >> i'm not taking the bait. i'm just an advocate of the second. >> do you think he's a legitimate american? >> do i think the president.

there just wasn't a lot about him in this period, and the reigning idea was that teddy roosevelt, outof power, was out of control. this was an assertion made by a historian in this era of a biography that every undergraduate still reads. i thought that was what i would find when i started out, that this was a man who was a rogue elephant once he was out of the white house. the farther i went into things, the more i realized that i didn't agree with at all, that he was very deliberate, often at the top of his lungs, all calculated, everything that he did. he was a critic of wilson's war effort, people writing about this period would often cite this as an example of how he was totally out of control once he was out of power. he really made a calm decision to speak at the top of his lungs about what he thought was wrong with the war effort as a way of speeding it up. he spoke if in a calm, reasonable voice, nobody would pay attention to him. so i am doing this and feeling bad about the conclusion being the opposite of this other conclusion because this historian had become a friend of mi

he has this very personalized, rhetorically violent conflict with teddy roosevelt, part of the conflict that ford represented to republicans, that roosevelt represented at all the isolationist republicans represented a third way, a threat that many saw as bordering on some form of socialist pacifism. >> i was wondering about the did -- gendered division of labor in the factory and in the city's itself and also, unrelated question, a utopian communities outside the united states with megalomaniac leaders? >> there are a lot of different utopian -- jonestown comes to mind because it is the northern part of the amazon basin. there are others as well. american history is filled with these attempts to deal with, in some ways, the problem of expansion by trying to establish these utopian communities. that is one particular example of it. as far as the gender division of labor, it was meant in terms of the -- carved out the jungle. ford sent mostly men down in terms of administrators, he also sent families down, and one of the things that was interesting about it, the men ford sent down, wheth

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nats hoping to do a better job against the pirates than teddy roosevelt did against the wolf. , teddy. come on. adam dunn was up in the fifth with two on. lift this to the former nat -- millage and lastings -- didn't get it. coming around to score, 1-0 nat. here's the good, there's the bad. andrew mccutcheon gone. that off of him -- just getting it. nice attempt there. then mcccheon again and gone. two-run shotthere. 7-2 pittsburgh. mccutcheon again -- gone. have yourself a night, young fellow. the rookie with a monsterous six rbi. three home run evening. the former nat lasting millage very good. 4-5. he drove in five. the pirates blow out the nyet 11-6. i ask you, jim riggleman, how good was mccutcheon? >> reporter: no, he was really good. he's a great athlete. you know, criewf read about him for a year or two now. and he's here. and he's -- he's going to be a force to deal with. >> reporter: ale east now. the match-up between the o's and red sox. crowd on hand but they didn't like what they saw early. finish you're an o's fan. the second is the reigning mvp. that one's gone.

his latest book, "the wilderness warrior," looks at teddy roosevelt. also tonight, aribute to the pele of new orleans from jsh charles. it is simple as helping rebuild the city. h single efft is helping rebuild the city. we are glad that yojoined us. t our book at new orlns four years aer katrincoming out. -- o look at orleans four years aer katrina comingup. >> there areo many things that wal-mart is looking forward to doing, like helping peopleive better. but mostly, we'reelping build stroer communities and relationships. wi your help, the best is yet to come. >> nationwide insurance prouy supports "tavismiley." tavis and nationwide, working together to impre financial teracy and the enomic emwerment that comes with it. >> ♪ nationwe is on your si ♪ >> and by conibutions to your pbs station from vwers like you. thank you. [captioni made possible by kcet public televisi] tavis: douglasbrinkley is a noted historian and best-selling author who look at hurricane katrina calledthe great deluge." his ne book is called "the wildness warrior." he joi us tnig

teddy roosevelt was shot at. fdr was shot at.ayor of chicago was killed by that assassin attempt. harry troou man was attacked by prekian nationalists. a secret service agent was killed. gerald ford was shot at twice. jack kennedy was killed when he was shot. and your dad was almost killed. your thoughts on this subject. why do people bring guns to presidential events? >> i think it's a much bigger than than allen a suggesting. i don't think it's about second amend rights or health care. the future is coming, chris, and many people are scared of the future. this is one of those pivotal moments in our history when you can sense that something is happening, something is going to change, and many people get very frightened by that. some people can hire lobbyist to push back against that change. other people who don't have that capacity do things like carry guns around. allen is quite right, the only real reason to carry a loaded handgun or assault-style rifle anywhere, hunting, target practice, or you intend to kill someone in self-

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they had a rely against the pirates racing and it was looking like a victory until potato skull teddy roosevelt out. and they win the race. apparently when they came to nationals park last year, teddy went after one of their guys with a pitchfork so this was a revenge attack. >> what is a peroge. >> it's a pittsburgh delicacy. but they like it in pittsburgh. >> i'm just curious. >> that was another question that you like to ask me that yo. >> we'll be right back. we'll deal with it in the race. b@b@b@ this is humiliating. stand still so we can get an accurate reading. okay...um...eighteen pounds and a smidge. a smidge? y'know, there's really no need to weigh packages under 70 pounds. with priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service, if it fits, it ships anywhere in the country for a low flat rate. cool. you know this scale is off by a good 7, 8 pounds. maybe five. priority mail flat rate boxes only from the postal service. a simpler way to ship. >>> and finally tonight, if you think david letterman's recent run in with sarah palin meant no more jokes, you have another thing coming. >>

teddy roosevelt takes one to the team that is a bad pierogi. those that don't know, pierogi is a slavic dumpling. teddeddy roosevelt was a former president. wove to say that. >> that isn't fair. >> no it's not. >>> get this u.s. marshals have seized skin sanitizers and other skin products made by a lab in utah. the fda is warning the product not to use any claar con products because they contain harmful bacteria. i know, skin sanitizer, harmful bacteria. claar conn recalled several products in june after an fda inspection found disease-causing bacteria. no cases have been reported to the fda. >>> a new strain of the virus that causes aids was found, according to french researchers. a 62-year-old woman from cameroon tested positive for hiv five years ago. researchers now say the strain that she has is different from the three known strains of hiv and that this new one is similar to a virus recently discovered in wild gorillas. >>> harvard professor who had a beer with president obama is now joking about his arrest. >> i dreamed of -- the night be

teddy roosevelt trying to break his losing trip on a road trip when he is clothes lined by potato pete. apparently those two have a history and i fear gang violence. >> head shot. >> finally, why golfers shouldn't play baseball. look at that throw. >> where is the ball? he is australian. they don't play a lot of baseball. i guess they played at the olympics. throws it and picks it up again. he is a golfer. doesn't know how to. >> so embarrassing. >> three segments of sports next tuesday i demand. >> only one weather hey smart, heard you're getting free nights from hotels.com. how? well, funny you should ask. you see, after i book 10 nights, i get a free one. say i spend 2 nights at a b name hotel, 3 at a boutique, and 5 at a beach resort... and boom! free night. ( dings, monkey chatters ) ( in a baby voice ) aren't you a smart one? ( monkey laughs ) accumulate 10 nights and get a night free. welcomerewards from hotels.com. smart. so smart. >>> anita, i don't want to put you on the spot. >> then don't. >> some rather dirty habits that women have. 85% of the 1000 women say they wear thei

douglas brinkley looked at the first green president, teddy roosevelt, from his new book, the wilderness lawyer, hours, starting at 6:00 p.m. eastern today on c-span2's book tv. book tv visited with eva brann to talk about her life and work. she has been a tutor at st. john's college, talks about her interest in the classics and the philosophers her students be. this is just over 30 minutes. >> in 1957 when you first started at st. john's college, what did you think of it? >> i thought i had come to sheer heaven. i never had to change my mind about that. it was heaven. it was everything that i had hoped for. learning is as much a part of being a teacher here as teaching is. the relation to our students has that kind of closeness which depends on a certain kind of formality. we don't intrude on their lives, we don't pretend to be friends with them, we have important business between us, amongst us, and so, teaching is a pleasure and agrees too. it can be an enormous irritation. by and large it is wonderful. one of the most remarkable things about the college is the relation of the faculty

a little bit, going to the eastern seaboard will be easier. >> along the lines of your book, teddy roosevelt"the wilderness warrior," here's the question. does barack obama need to do a two punch here, not just health but get back to cap and trade, get back to energy, get back to doing something on climate change in order to establish his role in history? does he have to win both? >> absolutely, chris. and i think yellowstone, where theodore roosevelt went in 1903, he's doing the two stops t.r. did in 1903. yellowstone, the grand canyon. talk about climate conservation. talk about wildlife protection. talk about the eventual solar panels the federal government is going to do, wind farms, alternative energy. i think you want to mix the conversation up in august. half of it health care, also push forward your energy and environmental policies. ken burns has this documentary coming out on the national parks in september. it's going to get a lot of attention. i think it's fortuitous timing to see the west and take his case to the people of the west. >> the members of congress, it's a big enough

she the author of the new book, teddy roosevelt, wilderness warrior.oug brinkley, good morning. >> good morning to you, harry. >> why was roosevelt so determined to preserve some of america's great, last great places? >> well, as a kid he had asthma and he grew up in new york city and he found the nature secure -- >> he went to the adirondacks, later his mother and wife grew both died on valentine's day, he took a train ride to the badlands of north dakota and wrote a trilogy of books about the window earns there and decided that scenic wonders is what distinguished united states from europe. >> true, england has westminster abbey but we had yellowstone. >> they has the louvre, we had yellowstone. >> what did you talk about on the trip to west. >> there was a group of historians he had at the white house and i got to talk a little bit about my book on tr, the wilderness warrior and i went to the interior department and got to speak with secretary salazar, who is accompanying the president on to these national parks and they are just very keene, i think

most senseless violence on a 9- foot fake former president, teddy roosevelt making an appearance in pittsburghrying to break his losing streak on the road when he is close lined by potato peek. that is a cheap shot. he is one of the pierogi's they have there. i fear gang violence in retaliation. why golfers shouldn't play baseball. he was trying to throw the golf ball to the crowd but he lost his luggage. with a sandwich he could have got it up in the grandstand but throwing, not so much. but he's a golfer. don't forget you can see a new version every tuesday night at 5:00 and 11:00. guys, back to you. >> thank you. i personally like the pierogi attack. thanks for joining us this morning. tune in to 9news now morning, noon and night for the best local coverage in town. log on to wusa9.com where we are always on. have a great week ahead and try to stay cool. b@b@

teddy roosevelt said, "walk softly but carry a big stick."he people at those meetings are not walking softly but talking loudly. are they justified? sean: how many say justified? >> why? >> there justified in a number of reasons. it is dangerous to go around -- we have a right to a free association and assembly. the leftists are trying to scare people to organize. when you organize, you raise money. when you raise money, you have power. acorn is powerful. >> acorn, that is in the past. we can move on from that one. you are allowed free speech. that is the fact. no one should be called un american. >> these meetings are not about health care. let me finish. "socialism," i think it is a code word. it is the new n-word. sean: how many agree with that? >> rubbish. sean: three people. seanthere are questions about dissent in the country. i think people have a right to express their views. believe it or not, hillary clinton agrees with me. how many of you remember this? >> i am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree wi

"indian killing teddy roosevelt set the pattern for most conservationist radical politics.t's preserve the land we stole." how about this one? >> if the activist would join forces with the people of color, the united states could avoid an eco apocalypse and achieve equity." bill: is it possible that mr. jones has converted into being a sane environmentalist? he does not like you. and his friends are trying to hurt you. glenn: whatever, whatever. bill: but is it possible he is a responsible environmentalist? glenn: i asked the white house, "did you know about his past?" did you know that he is a self- proclaimed radical revolutionary that has done all of these things? their response is he is only focused on one very narrow -- green jobs. my follow-up question was, "what kind of jobs does a communist create?" bill: green jobs. red jobs. i do not know. communists want people to work. they are for the worker. glenn: what a coincidence? so do the unions. bill: this guy reminds me of reverend wright. he is an anti-american guy, we think, and the obama administration does not seem

the administration says obama will lead the nation with a quote rooseveltian legacy, meaning teddy roosevelter of the park system. roosevelt made a famous visit to the grand canyon in 1903. even back then the president was pleading for its preservation. but historians say obama's challenges today are far more complex. >> we now have an obama administration that's going to have to deal with climate conservation. how do you create new wildlife corridor, how do wstart using public land for solar panel farms, different uses of public lands. >> reporter: it's a complicated task list but if obama's going to make a lasting mark on the national park system, he will have to take the long view. rachel martin, abc news, phoenix, arizona. >> hard to believe these parks are hurting for funding considering how many people consider this the routine family vacation. there's a separate group that supplements the budget, the memorial society. they more or less take donations from mt. rushmore national memorial. >> some don't charge admission. the actual exhibit, the mountain is free. so we -- >> maybe if they

eugenics was popular thought to woodrow wilson, teddy roosevelt and their advisors. in 1912, a year before he was president, new jersey's governor woodrow wilson created a board of examiners of feeble minded, epileptics and other defectives. und it, the state could determine when procreation is inadvisable like for criminals, prisoners, poor kids and the ill defined. other defectives, end quote. roosevelt's close advisor charles van highs said "he who thinks of himself not primarily but of his race and his future is the new patriot, end quote. former president roosevelt later endorsed madison grant's passing of "the great race" a book that lit hitler once referred to as his bible. what the textbooks ignore is that before the nazis took power, germans lagged behind americans an europeans in eugenics but world war i and the great flu pandemic turned doctors into social planners. hitler and the nazis took the logic of total health to totalitarian extremes making the central policy goal affecting marriage, medicine and more. the same year hitler joined the nazi party in

this started back with teddy roosevelt. he was the first one to introduce nationalized healthcare.s all of them. >> geraldo: how has your life be effected negatively since the obama presidency? do you make more than $300,000? i don't know. tell me how you're affected. excuse me for asking that personal question. >> it doesn't matter how much my family makes. this has hit home with us. i've been asked why all of a sudden now are you interested? with the wars going on i've been paying attention but it doesn't affect me personally at home. when cash for clunkers started, it bugged me. when they start to talk about healthcare that is something that affect me my neighbors and my family. i don't want the government interfering in that. >> matt: you think government will tell you what doctor to go to and how much care you will receive? >> i don't know. but i know it's a possibility. you have seen other governments doing it, why couldn't it happen here. >> matt: let me take a break. you stand by and i want the congress people, i'll go back to them also to stand by. i must also say i'm join

and as you say, if you look at some of our great presidents, republicans like ronald reagan and teddy roosevelt, and, of course, democratic like roosevelt and john f. kennedy, they have all been broken and expecting us to think above and beyond the d.t. as of our daily lives and to aspire to a greater vision, but what is also important, no matter what you do as president, and i think this is obama's biggest mistake, you have to bring it down to the people -- above and beyond the details of our daily lives. neil: this is from ronald reagan addressing pretty much an economic quagmire we face similarly today. >> across this country, there are millions of people yearning for a different approach. they are yearning for us to make room for our hopes and dreams, and to put it bluntly, and they want something different for a change. neil: how important is and then to get back to be positive about accentuating the present-tense negative, because the negative, you say, is kind of understood, right? >> i think it is understood, with the this policy anyway, and i think getting back to the positive is extre

assistant secretary of the navy, he wanted-- and when franklin roosevelt was in college while teddy roosevelt was president the other guys that harvard started to laugh at franklin roosevelt because he would go around saying bully, bully, bali as is cousin like to do. >> host: we have a viewer who wanted to specifically to compare fdr ran tr on his-- of truman. following him in office. >> guest: i don't know how to react to that. >> host: and also the national parks program. sorry sasha, can't take that. annexed is that right, vistas hank, go ahead please. >> caller: this is the most educational program on tv, washington journal. i really enjoy the fact that you can listen to other people and call in and get our opinions, which makes it what it is. >> host: thanks for watching, sir. >> caller: [inaudible] were the case went to the supreme court and gore was like six and a thousand votes ahead in the national election. i have always been confused by that because i think that was most on their decision that could have happened and it changed the history of the world because really, what happene

i feel that we should keep that open and president teddy roosevelt negotiated with cuba and i thoughthat was ours. why do we have to build and put money into other prisons and get these terrorist killers on our soil? and i respectfully ask you, why you voted to close it? i really am befuddled. thank you. >> first of all guantanamo bay is a symbol throughout the world of mistreatment of prisoners. now, my friends, it is. let me just tell you a story real quick and we all have the right to disagree. i was in a prison camp in iraq with senator lindsay graham who's an air force lawyer, we arranged to meet with a former high ranking member of al qaeda, a terrorist, a murder and a killer. and in the course of our conversation, i said to him, i said how did you succeed so well after the initial american invasion? he said two things, he said one after the initial invasion, there was total chaos, murder, rape, robbery, everything was rampant because you didn't have control of iraq. he said the second thing he said that allowed me to recruit thousands and thousands of young men we're abu graibh

like teddy roosevelt and taft today we insist cuba's leaders are misbehaving, that they are violating their citizens' human rights and the united states cannot stand buy quietly and allow this this behavior to continue. and that brings us to the third believe in the cuba ideology which underlies both the neglect and commitment to uplifting. the existential core of our policy towards cuba today is our view of the region's inhabitants as a retarded a branch of the human species. they are backward. my generation's work for latin americans have been under developed which is a polite way of saying backward. or as a u.s. ambassador report from havana as the cold war was beginning in the 1940's she said cubans possess the superficial charm of clever children at that under the surface they combine the worst characteristics of the spanish and negro cultures, laziness, cruelty, your responsibility and inbred dishonesty. it is probably a sign of progress our diplomats no longer write sentences like that. what we have to do now is not look for people to say that they think he cubin for an inferio

our website takes you back to 1912 in fact to then-president teddy roosevelt campaigning for universal health care as far back as 1912. if you go to our website, we take from you 1912 to 1965 when president johnson signed into law medicare and medicaid programs, then in 1972 when then president richard nixon extended the medicare coverage. then of course we take you to just 15 years ago, under then president clinton seeking to completely overhaul the health care system. as you know, the effort to change health care was defeated in 1993. you want to learn more, get even more historical look at health care rae form in this country. again, go to cnn.com/healthcare, while you are there also participate in our quick vote about whether or not you think we're actually going to have health care reform comprehensive health care reform this year. right now, the vote pretty split. 52-48. 52% yes, 58% no. that not a scientific poll but still gauging again your sentiment today. i want to bring back in once again angie holan with politifact.com. thanks again. >> thank you. >> a fact finding group af

. >> douglas brinkley looks at the first green president, teddy roosevelt, from his new book, the wilderness lawyer, two hours starting at 6:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2's booktv. >> join the conversation with civil-rights and race relations with one williams live on sunday at noon eastern on booktv's in depth on c-span2. >> book expo america, yale university press book with john donatich. what do you have? >> number of great books starting with "the making of americans: democracy and our schools" by e. d. hirsch, jr.. e. d. hirsch, jr. wrote a best-selling novel called cultural literacy. he cares very much about what role education has in defining what it is to be american. this book is the capstone of his career. many bestsellers, many decades of activism and education to talk about the centrality of information and knowledge and what it means to have a shared base of knowledge and how important that is to the national identity and our is being threatened by the way education is limited across the country. it is a book that has a lot of arguments, advocacy, ways to look forward to what the n

we've been trying to get this done since teddy roosevelt. and i think now is the time. make haste slowly. >> you are a mayor, sir, before you came to congress. you have been a chief executive. you said this about the president of the united states in the health care debate. you said, "president obama underestimated the free fall the nation can already taken in partisan hot tilt had when he talked about bringing change to washington. it has gotten worse. there is something at play here and it's indescribable." as a former mayor, someone who had to balance the books and lead a city through tough times, what else is the president underestimating? what is he doing wrong? >> he's not doing anything wrong. he should be praised for being audacious enough to bring this contentious issue to the public. and i think that he has done a yomen's job in trying to articulate what this health care bill will do. i think, however, that he -- i don't want to do mr. bush, but he underestimated the -- i think the partisan divide. one of the greatest insults to democracy is the putrid partisa

it's teddy roosevelt would have said, "that's a lie, that's a damnable lie!" >> you are saying, doris, that the president has come to the place where arianna says he should have began. >> i don't think he should have begun there. i think if he had begun there it would have been a shift that would have been against what he had promised in the campaign, against what he promised himself. and i think now he has to move for toward confrontational tile of leadership, say if the republicans aren't going to be to go with me i'm us going to use democrats. at least he honored what he had to d. indies do the nt mean you give up that but you recognize that another aspect of leader some ip ha toss come in to play. the very one that arianna is talking about. i think if he made that shift too quickly i don't think it's too late. i think he has chance now to lay down that line. >> charlie: and do you think -- you do think it would have been a mistake to start out that way because what? >> because everything he promised in the campaign was a different style of leadership. if y

the question haas bothered the american people since teddy roosevelt's time is, some people have health insurance and some don't. how do we recognize that with our sense in this country, of looking out for each other, to some extent? to some extent? >> i think that with young people especially, a lot of it is encouragement. i've got a kid who is going out of the home now. and he think he's bulletproof in many ways. >> i got kids like that, too. we can encourage them to do it. because i know when i was in my 20s until i got married, i didn't go out and get insurance. that was a foolish mistake i had. i could have had a catastrophic occurrence that would have wiped me out financially and put the burden on other people. so i think education for young people is the law. they're the biggest bloc as i understand it, looking at the numbers of uninsured. >> i hear someone like you speak, and i know you worked on the hill like i did. here's my problem with you guys, the conservatives talk reasonably when the democrats get in power and say we have an alternative, that's more free market, and i ac

we're having this debate, the question that's bothered the american people since, what, since teddy roosevelt's have health insurance and some don't. how do we reconcile that with our sense in this country of looking out for each other to some extent? to some extent. >> i think with young people especially, a lot of it encouragement. i have a kid who is going out of the home who thinks he's bullet proof. >> i have kids like that, too. >> we can encourage him. when i was in my 20s, until i got married i didn't go out and get insurance. that was a foolish mistake i made. i could have had a catastrophic occurrence that could have wiped me out financially. young people are the biggest bloc looking at the numbers of the uninsured. >> when i hear someone like you speak and you worked on the hill like i did and i know you're a serious wonk like i was once. here is my problem with you guys. the conservatives talk reasonably when the democrats get in power and say we have an alternative that's more free market, it's less onerous, less big shot, big government stuff and i accept all that. but when you gu

>> um -- >> was teddy roosevelt wrong -- >> where did we do wrong? i'd start with the federal reserve bank. >> well, how about was wilson wrong with what he did in terms of reform, the income tax? was the income tax wrong? >> the income tax originally was my understanding instituted as a voluntary victory tax -- >> no, it was instituted as an amendment to the constitution, direct taxation. you're defense that too? >> that was later on, that came later on. >> it came under wilson. you think that was wrong? do you think that was part of the loss of our republic? >> there are better ways to do things. >> we've been on a slippery slope to the loss of our republic therefore you bought a gun to the meeting the president held today on health care. >> therefore. i don't know about that. i live in new hampshire. i open carry many places. as i said, people come up, they talk to you. people here are pretty used to it. >> i want to be polite to you. >> i know i'm not -- >> i want to be polite to you. >> we're not in new york or los angeles. >> my brother -- >> i