standing there perspiring, the only time he wore glasses because he wanted to read a quote from teddyd roosevelt and the only time that he reflected on the tragedy and with a less than was. i think it is applicable as we look at the country torn apart. you never hate your enemies because it is when you hate them they win because you destroy yourself and that is the lesson that i think i can think of too many moments like that in american history. words of wisdom was really hard through a lot of suffering. >> host: your book is very political. i am old enough to remember the protest and whatnot that he got involved in and the religious side of his conviction. i'm wondering how yoi am wonderd to balance all of that to make him come alive as a totally three-dimensional person. >> he's not reflected at all. he's making it up as he goes along and yet he becomes an icon for the civil rights movement. when he died a year and a half ago of these people refer to his role in the civil rights movement and he was opposed to it and he said it was a waste of time. people would never give up any power. they wo