most treacherous things, going over glaciers war were milling, over mountaintops that looked like teepees. weight -- quite the journey. >> what was going through your mind? >> i would traumatized, frankly. didn't have a solid thought in my head. i was frightened, i was unsure of myself, i was just following the direction of my mother, who said just -- this is what we're going to do, how we're going to do it, and i just followed. she adopted my son as her own, and now my son had become my brother, and i just took her lead. my mother had a way of saying, just look forward. never look back. don't look back. don't even think about it. that was the way i survived, by not reflecting too much on what happened in the past, and she just kept telling me that i could finish school, i could go to college, i still had a life ahead of me and it was through the strength of my mother. and so my father and god almost were -- could replace each other, and as a little girl, started thinking of my father as this huge god in my life, and so later on in college, i was still looking for some connection to the d