>> he's been the teflon don his whole life, but he's certainly immune to these accusations of colluding with a foreign power. he's immune to much of what we've heard the last three years. could you say it's fair or unfair, that's how it's playing politically. a lot of people think there's unfair attacks on president trump and now i think the light is going to turn on joe biden, any attack on president trump, he's old, he is with a foreign power. and they've mid a tactical error. leland: he said he never talked with hunter biden about his business dealings. who is going to be more motivated to come out to the polls, particularly if it's a biden-trump race and if vice-president biden is the nominee. democrats 69% of them are extremely motivated, only 63% of republicans extremely motivated. problem? >> well, it's still early and the democrats have to take pick a nominee. i take this with a grain of salt. if you want to see republicans more motivated, keep brett kavanaugh in the news and keep collusion in the news. and they haven't learned anything from 2016. the kavanaugh incident when the