. >> host: one thing we need to talk about -- this hour has gone by quickly, you're a great story telar in person as wells on the page -- this huge, desolate, sometimes threatening pakistani province in the southwest corner, the big brute inside west pakistan, and you made it out there through the wilds to a port that pakistan dreams of developing with chinese help as a middle class outlet for central asian oil and gas. >> guest: you're right. it's gwadar, and it is -- the pakistani -- >> host: a dream. >> guest: it is. it's what the government is banking on, the next dubai. so i went there in the fall of 2007. they had just built a glorious five-star hotel on the top of the -- it's a hammerhead shaped bay and on the top of the hammerhead shaped harbor, and what happened is nat doing this, in billing this port and investing so much confidence, the natives of the area feel very disenfranchised and they say this might be the next dubai bought we're not going get any piece of it. >> host: they haven't excludessed government from any real wealth. >> guest: totally there was an influential s