we did the usa freedom act, which ended the usa government not metadata collection, just for telephone metadata but for any metadata, not only under that section of the patriot act but under a host of different government statutes. that was well handled, and it enhanced our national security and the privacy of u.s. citizens. we have to handle this in the same way. kate: another judiciary issue that a lot of us have been following closely. there has not been any action passedhe committees sweeping patent reform action last year. there is worry in the tech community that the clock is running out, as it does every two years. now you see lawmakers introducing much more narrow bills, aimed at reforms so the so-called patent trolls cannot bring their cases to court. that is partly taken from your action -- words in the innovation act. rep. goodlatte: if you take the which is patent litigation reform, it addresses six or seven different areas of the law. supported.widely in the last congress, it was passed out of the committee with a big bipartisan vote. 350s supported by more than organizations aroun

time we did usa freedom act which ended the governments mass metadata collection not just for telephone metadata but any kind of metadata and not just under that particular section of the patriot act but under whole host of different government statue so i think that was well handled and an enhanced or national security and u.s. citizens privacy. we have to handle the same one. >> guest: another judiciary issue that i know we have been following closely is patent reform. there hasn't been any floor action since your committee and the senate judiciary committee passed a sweeping patent reform bill last year they think there is some sense of worry and the tech community that the clock is running out as it does every year. now lawmakers aren't adducing much more of narrow bill specifically in depth then you reforms in the so-called patent control. you can't bring your cases in the courts that are friendly to them in that language is partly taken from your language. are you open to moving the bill's? >> guest: well if you take the innovation act is patent litigation reform committee addresses six or

did the usa freedom act which ended the government's mass metadata collection not just for telephone metadata, but for any kind of metadata, and not just under that particular section of the patriot act, but under a whole host of different government statutes. so i think that was well handled, and it both enhanced our national security and citizens' privacy. we've got to handle this same one, this issue in the same manner. >> another judiciary issue that i know a lot of us have been following very closely is patent reform. there hasn't been floor angst since both -- action since both committees passed sweeping reforms last year, and i think there's some, you know, sense of worry in the tech community that, you know, just the clock is running out as it does every two years. now you see some lawmakers introducing much more narrow bills specifically aimed at, you know, venue reform so that the so-called patent trolls can't bring their cases in courts that are especially friendly to them, and that language is largely taken from your language. are you open to moving a venue-only bill? >> guest: we

but then the telephonic metadata had no expectation of privacy and therefore was not constitutionally protected. >> it was decided that to a degree that it should stop the commander-in-chief from doing that and that has stood up in court. on two occasions it was taken as a given and the president has the constitutional authority. we have gathered the data. i think constitutionally we have done a lot quicker. but out of respect with american privacy we gathered the data and we put it into one of the lockboxes where it is not just lying there, we did not try to create relationships around algorithms against it or anything, which is frankly common practice. who so there is kind of a nervousness about their among the right left political reception and i just don't want the government having the ability. >> no good deed goes unpunished. >> to give you an anecdote. i am a panel. and we are talking about this. [inaudible] there our company is better managing data. and they know a lot more about you and what you buy. >> and they are really interested. my explanation is that that is a violatio

maryland the court held that just like the outside of the envelope, telephonic metadata had no expectation of privacy and, therefore, was not constitutionally protected. so when we gathered all of that did it after 9/11 and we discovered the wind program, to be fair, congressman limited access to metadata in the fight to act. the foreign intelligence surveillance act but it was not constitutionally limited but it was limited by statute. and after 9/11, the president using his article to commander-in-chief authority decided that to the degree of fisa statute stop the commander-in-chief from doing that, the fisa statute had to be unconstitutional because it was limiting his own and your article to. by the way that stood out. that has stood up in court. on two occasions the appellate court said we take a has given e president has the constitutional authority. so we gathered the data. out of respect for american privacy, we didn't. we gathered the data. we put into for want of a better term, a lockbox where it was just lying there fellow. we didn't try to create the relationships. we didn't ru

so-called any update on what was then called stellar wind which was the precursor to the bold telephone metadatagram. i insisted then and believe now that security and liberty are not a zero-sum game. you get more of both or you get neither. to former congressional colleagues of mine, so lofgren, ma democrat from california, and darryl ice, republican, wrote in ipad yesterday for the "los angeles times." my hometown paper. they say the debate is too big for one courtroom. the conversation belongs to congress. and so here at the wilson center today we want to kickstart that dialogue. we have a rockstar program starting with congressman ted lieu complete on these issues on one of congress' few genuine techies. we are also pleased to welcome another good friend, kate martin come senior fellow at the center for american progress and former longtime director of the center for national secure the studies, and so i consulted regularly trying to wrap my old brain around these very tough issues. we also have susan hennessey. is she here? there she is. i can't see. managing editor of lawfare and former ns

so-called "gang of eight," what was then called stellar wind, which was precursor to the bulk telephone metadata program. i insisted then and believe now that security and liberty are not zero-sum game. you get more of both or you get neither. two former congressional colleagues of mine, ted's colleagues, zoe lofgren of california and darrell issa a republican, wrote an op-ed yesterday for "the los angeles times," my hometown paper. they say the debate is too big for one courtroom. a conversation belongs to congress. and so here at the wilson center today we want to kick-start that dialogue. we have a rock star program starting with congressman ted lew, a leader on these issues. one of congress's few genuine techies. we are pleased to welcome another good friend, kate martin, senior fellow at center for american progress and former long time director of national security studies and someone i consulted regularly trying to wrap my old brain around these very tough issues. we also have susan hennessey, is she here? there she is. managing editor of law fair and national security agency lawyer and d

my favorite example is the 215 program on telephone metadata program.if you could have imagined intelligence getting out in front of that and saying the whole purpose of the program is to limit the number of phone calls we listen to, but once snowden gets it out it is mass surveillance, but if it were possible to imagine intelligence getting far enough out in front to talk about the 215 program, get numbers out, the number of conversations is pretty small. so that is the challenge. unfortunately, it is unfortunately, it is hard for me to imagine that intelligence could be that proactive. if you do that you will tell our adversaries a little bit about how we do our work, and you are, but that seems a cost that you must pay in the world we live in, particularly if you're going to do things that involve citizens or inhabitants. >> thank you for a fun presentation. i am a former defense person ,, and i used to fund greg's research back in the day. >> will you do it again? >> you have got enough now. >> we have a question. we observed is not an existential t

>> well, as you know, the law changed recently, last year, so that the metadata is now held by the telephone companies. itself. and one of the challenges is to make sure that there is a platform that allows the rapid assessment of whether there's a metadata connection, and it's in the hands of the telephone companies. i think that is a little bit challenging. i think we are in good shape. but i think we can get in better shape. and this to me understores the importance of building that capability and implementing it as quickly as possible. >> once again, the debate and discussion continues about that collection there. secretary chertoff, thank you. this morning. donald trump says that this attack shows weakness against terrorists. more reaction from the (vo) you can check on them. you can worry about them. you can even choose a car for them. (mom) honey, are you ok? (child) i'm ok. (announcer vo) love. (mom) we're ok. (announcer vo) it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. coverage of this breaking news. we should note president obama is in cuba this morning. he is expected to speak about the att

they hearken back to those feaux discussions and debates we had over somebody's telephone or some country's metadata. marc: the administration would argue that they are getting tough in those places. they just killed the number two leader of isis. they claim they've taken back 40% of isis'territory. bit like letting a cancer go untreated for many months saying you have reduce the tumor by 40%. by the way, it's in your lawns but it is -- lungs but it's prettier brain. harris and wherever the next attack is. and brussels or wherever the next attack is. gen. hayden: you're asking me a political question and i will give you a political answer. think you can, i fairly characterize our effort against isis is what we call a level of effort campaign. we have been told we will give that much. ok, do everything you can with that much and under these rules. i would say, and are probably good friends of mine that we disagree on the inside, i would say we are not working backward from the desired of facts we wish to create. therefore, resourcing and governing our effort based upon the desired outcomes, here is w

>> well, as you know, the law changed recently, last year, so that the metadata is now held by the telephone companies. itself. and one of the challenges is to make sure that there is a platform that allows the rapid assessment of whether there's a metadata connection, and it's in the hands of the telephone companies. i think that is a little bit challenging. i think we are in good shape. but i think we can get in better shape. and this to me understores the importance of building that capability and implementing it as quickly as possible. >> once again, the debate and discussion continues about that collection there. secretary chertoff, thank you. >> and thank you for your time this morning. donald trump says that this more reaction from the hey what are you here for? you getting poked, prodded or pinched?? uhhh yeah, colon cancer screening. hey me too, second time. it's a piece of cake! that sounds good right now. it's no big deal. that's what everyone tells me. today there is more than one way to screen for colon cancer and it's easier than ever. talk with your healthcare provider and cho

>> well, as you know, the law changed recently, last year, so that the metadata is now held by the telephone companies. and not by the government itself. and one of the challenges is to make sure that there is a platform that allows the rapid assessment of whether there's a metadata connection, and it's in the hands of the telephone companies. i think that is a little bit challenging. i think we are in good shape. but i think we can get in better shape. and this to me understores the importance of building that >> once again, the debate and discussion continues about that collection there. secretary chertoff, thank you. this morning. donald trump says that this terrorists. presidential candidada >>> back with our continuing coverage of this breaking news. we should note president obama is in cuba this morning. he is expected to speak about brussels. we're going to have special report with his comments shortly after 10:00 a.m. eastern time. several presidential candidates are also responding to today's attack. julianna goldman is in washington tracking that for us. good morning. >> good morni

>> well, as you know, the law changed recently, last year, so that the metadata is now held by the telephone companies. and not by the government itself. and one of the challenges is to make sure that there is a platform that allows the rapid assessment of whether there's a metadata connection, and it's in the hands of the telephone companies. i think that is a little bit challenging. i think we are in good shape. but i think we can get in better shape. and this to me understores the importance of building that capability and implementing it as quickly as possible. >> once again, the debate and collection there. secretary chertoff, thank you. >> and thank you for your time this morning. donald trump says that this attack shows weakness against terrorists. more reaction from the presidential candidates ahead. but first, at 38 our new 10 ounce filet. our 16 ounce t-bone. and our fire grilled 18 ounce outlaw ribeye. only at longhorn steakhouse. yeah, that's right. deal diva coming through. you see all my bogos, my weekly ad. just wait till you see my savings. and brace yourself. the digital cou

usa freedom act which ended the governments mass made a data collection not just for telephone that any kind of metadata under that particular section of the patriot act that under a whole host of different government statutes so that was well handled and and that both enhance our national security and u.s. citizens privacy. we've got to handle the same one, the same issue in the same manner. >> another judiciary issue that i know we've been following very closely is the patent reform. there hasn't been any action since the kennedy and a senate judiciary passed their reforms last year and i think there's some worry in the community that the clock is running out as it does every two years. now you see some of the lawmakers introducing the bill specifically aimed at venue reforms and they can't bring their cases in the courts that are especially friendly to them and language is taken from your language in the act. are you open to moving a venue only bill? >> if you take the innovation act which is patent litigation reform come it addresses six or seven different areas of the law and it's very widely suppo

>> well, as you know, the law changed ar, so that the metadata is now held by the telephone companies. and not by the government itself. and one of the challenges is to there is a platform that allows the rapid assessment of whether there's aon, and it's in the hands of the telephone companies. i think that is a little bit challenging. but i think we can get in betterd this to me understores the importance of building that capability and implementing it as quickly as possible. >> once again, the debate and discussiont collection there. secretary chertoff, thank you. >> and thank you for your time this morning. donald trump says that this attack shows weakness against more reaction from the presidendi >> samantha: thanks so much, gail. time is 8:38. it's 38 degrees outside, and this is a live look over downtown cleveland. a little hazy out there this morning, mostly cloudy from this vantage point, but i think as we progress through the day, we will see a few peeks of sunshine. upper 50s for today. much warmer than yesterday. a little light rain is possible out there this afternoon, sam