my question this evening is for there telio asand mr. ulliot. in the world of high finance and technology where you have government regulation and great results and then the world of stuff in which you r heavy regulation and poll results. how do you fit in the world that works, neither stuff nor technology into that -- into that theory. do you consider it to be highly regulated or lightly regulated and how would you change the regulatory scheme and to make it better, more productive, et cetera? >>. >> well, i would be in favor of going back to the 1950s e, '60s regulation in the world of stuff, and i think even if you were in favor of government doing things there are many cases where the government regulations are stopping governments from being able to do things they would like to do. i had conversations with people in the obama administration on yet stimulus bill, why couldn't they build an infrastructure and there were no ready projects they could build because they wanted to build clean tech windmills north of chicago. you weren't allowed t