i suspect we'll do that right ber thbeforethe 17th temporariln irexchange for a commission that willat tax reform, and -- entitlement reform and do nothing. lou: do nothing, and president obama said he will not negotiate, speaker boehner made it clear there is one conclusion, by negotiation. do you think that speaker is right? or is the president? >> there has to be talks, i think just as obama had to walk back his line in the sand on syria, he has to walk back his line in the sand, there has to be some kind of negotiation, the issue is how much more pain and surfinsuffering do the markets o go through. i fire they have two things to worry about default on 17th but i think the corosive impact on the economy, it will do real damage to business psychology, consumer psychology, and market psychology. lou: president, though to me, greg, seems the more vulnerable. as you said. we know the 17th is really not a i didefault date, it is a date s government with move by with assurances and positive in stating there will never be a default. the real issue for he, what is going to be the fiscal