they're both from teneky springs. they are able to join us because we use google plus and skype to reach out to people who wouldn't be able to join us in the show. we think it's worth the risk. and also, he's an alaskan and educator who is considered one of the leading voices on the shy. and on skype, hollowing out the middle. the rural drain and america. ethan, why this law that closes schools? >> i think it's a response by the legislature and the government to deal with ever increasing costs in education in alaska. we had boarding schools up until the 1970s, in which the case went to the supreme court and it was decided that the state had the responsibility to educate every child in alaska, and so high schools popped up in all of our villages, and now the state has enabled it so that if the population drops under 10, your school goes into closure over a four-year period. and lessens the budget thing because oftentimes the money is spread out throughout the district. but i think it's a response to save money because