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and it actually, they are struck that not everything is a tenement. so they can come and look and see what it used to be like, but thank you for your hospitality. and congratulations to louisa who has written a i think wonderful book, a deeply researched and engagingly written account of her own family, which is not always an easy thing to do. and want to start with some specific questions, and then we're going to read a couple of things, then go be a little socialist jeopardy to keep her going. but we will start with why this book now? >> this book is, as you mentioned, a family store but it's also a story about an american family at a time of war and a time when the country is going through some major cultural, political, economic and social of evil. -- social of people. it looks more like it does today, you know, at the end of world war i then did at the beginning. during the war -- when world war i began most americans, most americans contact with our government was going to the post office. four years later, fast forward to 1914, 1970 have been f
and it actually, they are struck that not everything is a tenement. so they can come and look and see what it used to be like, but thank you for your hospitality. and congratulations to louisa who has written a i think wonderful book, a deeply researched and engagingly written account of her own family, which is not always an easy thing to do. and want to start with some specific questions, and then we're going to read a couple of things, then go be a little socialist jeopardy to keep her...
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i imagine he would've been hurt by the families who lived in our tenement across the street. we have a recording of sicilian catholic women, josephine valdez he remembered as a coach she lived next-door to a lithuanian jewish family. on this habit she recalled mrs. roda chassis would call for josephine to turn the light on for her. 60 years later you could still hear the pride in her voice for being called upon for that task. it is entirely probable families that in our tenement, which is open until the year 1935 discussed are admired norman thomas. tonight we're pleased to discuss his life and work with louisa thomas, author of "conscience." it should be signing copies of the book after the talk. keep in mind when you buy a copy of the featured book, were supporting the author, publisher in a museum. if you choose to become a museum member this evening, will give you a complimentary copy of "conscience." tonight's conversation is a tie jon meacham, executive editor and vice president ran an vice president random house conifer editor of "newsweek" and pulitzer prize-winning a
i imagine he would've been hurt by the families who lived in our tenement across the street. we have a recording of sicilian catholic women, josephine valdez he remembered as a coach she lived next-door to a lithuanian jewish family. on this habit she recalled mrs. roda chassis would call for josephine to turn the light on for her. 60 years later you could still hear the pride in her voice for being called upon for that task. it is entirely probable families that in our tenement, which is open...
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. >> next on booktv, at the tenement museum in new york city, louisa thomas recounts the life of her great grandfather, hoverman thomas, and his three brothers during world war i. >> louisa thomas is, of course, the great granddaughter of norman thomas who ran for president in six consecutive elections on the socialist ticket. prior to his entree into politics, he was a clergyman, and as louisa explains, he often work inside the tenement houses of families. his experience may have been very similar had his focus been the lower east side. norman thomas dreamed of creating a harmonious new york not entirely broken down by race and nationality. i imagine he would have been heartened by the families living across from us. we have a woman who recalls calling for young josephine to turn the light on for her. 60 years later you could still hear the pride in her voice for being called for that task. it is entirely probable that 23578 families living this our testment discussed or admired norman thomas. tonight we're pleased to discuss his life and work with louisa thomas, the author of "cons
. >> next on booktv, at the tenement museum in new york city, louisa thomas recounts the life of her great grandfather, hoverman thomas, and his three brothers during world war i. >> louisa thomas is, of course, the great granddaughter of norman thomas who ran for president in six consecutive elections on the socialist ticket. prior to his entree into politics, he was a clergyman, and as louisa explains, he often work inside the tenement houses of families. his experience may have...
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it's probable families living in our tenement open until the year 1935 discussed or of mitered norman thomas. tonight we are pleased to discuss his life and work with louisa thomas d. author of conscience. she will be signing copies of the book after the topic and keep in mind when you buy a book your supporting the author, the publisher and the museum. if you choose to become a member this evening, we will give you a complimentary copy of conscience. tonight's conversation is led by john mechem, executive editor and vice president of random house. a former editor of newsweek and pulitzer prize-winning author and commentator on politics,?g?g history and religious base in?gg america and is editor of our jeg public media and contributor tog the pbs television newsmagazine need to know. after the conversation you have the opportunity to ask questions, and since we are to do the ka recording twice presentation on booktv you have to ask your question from the microphone right here. we won't be able to accept questions from your seat. now please welcome our guest. [applause]ç >> thank you
it's probable families living in our tenement open until the year 1935 discussed or of mitered norman thomas. tonight we are pleased to discuss his life and work with louisa thomas d. author of conscience. she will be signing copies of the book after the topic and keep in mind when you buy a book your supporting the author, the publisher and the museum. if you choose to become a member this evening, we will give you a complimentary copy of conscience. tonight's conversation is led by john...
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they rioted in tenements and in the street. they forged vaccination certificates so the unvaccinated children could attend school. and perhaps most commonly, especially most common with most recent immigrants in the united states in cities, they get infected family members from the authorities in order to prevent them from being hauled off to the local isolation hospital. the scale of this popular opposition is all the more remarkable, because smallpox was still the most feared of all the terrible diseases that afflicted humankind. smallpox was the deadliest killer in human history. in a typical outbreak it killed roughly a third of all the people it infected. smallpox killed 300 million people worldwide in the 20th century alone. that's more than all the bloody centuries wars combined. but smallpox as you all know enjoyed another dissension. this is the only contagious disease ever eradicated from the human species. vaccination was crucial to that story. with each passing year, fewer and fewer people across the world have ever
they rioted in tenements and in the street. they forged vaccination certificates so the unvaccinated children could attend school. and perhaps most commonly, especially most common with most recent immigrants in the united states in cities, they get infected family members from the authorities in order to prevent them from being hauled off to the local isolation hospital. the scale of this popular opposition is all the more remarkable, because smallpox was still the most feared of all the...
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it is a maze of concrete tenements, drugs, piles of trash, this is all part and parcel life here. this is the kind of place you need to film discreetly. it is not exactly a tourist attraction and. the new mayor of naples, who enjoys police protection, has now declared war. he knows that his battle against garbage means no less than taking on the mafia. getting in touch with the grassroots ikey. he is visiting neighborhoods to try and get local people on his side to give them hope. >> i want to help the people who volunteer their services in schools and clubs and doing a lot of bad worker. we have to make progress on the trash a separation brunt. there are other projects, like the construction of a new university. >> the hopes riding on him are huge and fairly realistic. he won by a large majority against serbia burlesque on the's party. he has powerful enemies. and -- sergio burlesque tooni's party. they see it as a deliberate provocations by arsonists and as an attempt to damage it his attempt to resolve the damage crisis. entire neighborhoods are now health hazards. a neighborho
it is a maze of concrete tenements, drugs, piles of trash, this is all part and parcel life here. this is the kind of place you need to film discreetly. it is not exactly a tourist attraction and. the new mayor of naples, who enjoys police protection, has now declared war. he knows that his battle against garbage means no less than taking on the mafia. getting in touch with the grassroots ikey. he is visiting neighborhoods to try and get local people on his side to give them hope. >> i...
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democratic revolutions in the middle east, they are in the middle of the most severe crackdown cents the tenement square incident 10 years ago. -- crackdown since the tienamen square crackdown. it is believed that the party is driven only by power and greed and that are increasingly corrupt and unaccountable. >> we have had no compensation. generally, the hired goons backed us. >> we were lied to, cheated, our land was stolen. they said thugs to beat us. no one cares. i will go on fighting until my last breath. the new recruits keep swelling the communist party ranks. they have 80 million members. that is no surprise. they are seen as a path to success and they have eliminated all of their rivals. >> the celebrations in china to very different celebrations in canada where the duke and duchess of cambridge are on their first trip overseas as a married couple. tens of thousands lined the route just to get a glimpse of them. >> at some point today, he will have thought of her, a mother he lost when he was 15 and whose 50th birthday would have been today. so much as coming to william's life since the
democratic revolutions in the middle east, they are in the middle of the most severe crackdown cents the tenement square incident 10 years ago. -- crackdown since the tienamen square crackdown. it is believed that the party is driven only by power and greed and that are increasingly corrupt and unaccountable. >> we have had no compensation. generally, the hired goons backed us. >> we were lied to, cheated, our land was stolen. they said thugs to beat us. no one cares. i will go on...
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he moved to massachusetts; worked as a tenement lawyer in boston, teaches at the university of massachusetts amherst-- creative writing, latino poetry, and the work of pablo neruda. he's published 16 books, and his collection of poems, the republic of poetry, was a finalist for the pulitzer prize. >> at 16, i worked after high school hours at a printing plant that manufactured legal pads-- yellow paper stacked seven feet high and leaning as i slipped cardboard between the pages, then brushed red glue up and down the stack. no gloves-- fingertips required for the perfection of paper, smoothing the exact rectangle. sluggish by 9:00 p.m., the hands would slide along suddenly sharp paper, and gather slits thinner than the crevices of the skin; hidden. then the glue would sting, hands oozing till both palms burned at the punch clock. ten years later, in law school, i knew that every legal pad was glued with the sting of hidden cuts; that every open law book was a pair of hands upturned and burning. ( applause )
he moved to massachusetts; worked as a tenement lawyer in boston, teaches at the university of massachusetts amherst-- creative writing, latino poetry, and the work of pablo neruda. he's published 16 books, and his collection of poems, the republic of poetry, was a finalist for the pulitzer prize. >> at 16, i worked after high school hours at a printing plant that manufactured legal pads-- yellow paper stacked seven feet high and leaning as i slipped cardboard between the pages, then...
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charles,agree with but i will defer to the tenement -- the gentleman -- >> i agree with part of the disagreement. the taxes side -- unless the deal will include some increase in revenues, there will be no deal. there is no way the senate are president will accept the package from the rebel against -- from the republicans without any revenue increases. i leave the rest of this to mark. take it away, mark. >> to the best of our knowledge, as we may hear today, the pending deal is cut 7 $3 trillion, -- cuts of at $3 trillion, to be followed by tax increases in a later date, a player to be named later. this is a total reversal of what democrats have done in the past, which is we will get our deal right now and in the budget cuts later, which somehow they never get around to, and it has been to their advantage. this is not in the congressional democrats' interest, and there is a serious shortage of trussed up their. why we are making the cuts now with the prospect and promise of increases later, with a republican congress opposed to it, i think it's pretty dubious. >> mr. shields yields the balance o
charles,agree with but i will defer to the tenement -- the gentleman -- >> i agree with part of the disagreement. the taxes side -- unless the deal will include some increase in revenues, there will be no deal. there is no way the senate are president will accept the package from the rebel against -- from the republicans without any revenue increases. i leave the rest of this to mark. take it away, mark. >> to the best of our knowledge, as we may hear today, the pending deal is cut...
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final to nail spot missing the likes of leno last and harvey boss long out what to do it for the tenement house looking a potent force without play as both in tower play the first violin for the campgrounds as the school bell goals at the end of the first hall found fifteen minutes from time respect. in the meantime brazil and side in tennessee now claimed that place in the price isn't enough but it's a nice milan on penalties is not on for him of each open for the italians and the fed minutes at internazionale allies the midway through the first off down to a dummy our the score at their. straight to the second half now where milan to delay the gallon through sowing the sixty five minutes. however with ten minutes to go until a solid all leveled mothers forcing penalties and a pause the brazil and then lock in the penalty shoot out softly pathetically. united net of four times against m.l.s. all stars in front of a sold out for a full arena back to the. any on but still his strike as the saga of his former side dominated throughout the woods and set up by rooney may be one male on twenty
final to nail spot missing the likes of leno last and harvey boss long out what to do it for the tenement house looking a potent force without play as both in tower play the first violin for the campgrounds as the school bell goals at the end of the first hall found fifteen minutes from time respect. in the meantime brazil and side in tennessee now claimed that place in the price isn't enough but it's a nice milan on penalties is not on for him of each open for the italians and the fed minutes...
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he moved to massachusetts; worked as a tenement lawyer in boston, teaches at the university of massachusetts amherst-- creative writing, latino poetry, and the work of pablo neruda. he's published 16 books, and his collection of poems, the republic of poetry, was a finalist for the pulitzer prize. >> at 16, i worked after high school hours at a printing plant that manufactured legal pads-- yellow paper stacked seven feet high and leaning as i slipped cardboard between the pages, then brushed red glue up and down the stack. no gloves-- fingertips required for the perfection of paper, smoothing the exact rectangle. sluggish by 9:00 p.m., the hands would slide along suddenly sharp paper, and gather slits thinner than the crevices of the skin; hidden. then the glue would sting, hands oozing till both palms burned at the punch clock. ten years later, in law school, i knew that every legal pad was glued with the sting of hidden cuts; that every open law book was a pair of hands upturned and burning. ( applause )
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year's open away them in a while is set to defend his title louis oscars and speaking of a pretty tenement news conference on monday the defending champion will play alongside phil mickelson and mohsin in the opening round of. the victory has been great for me everything it's done in. you know it's been unreal experience is open champion and it's something that i would do work to achieve again to be known as the open champion for the year. and it's been a great experience. now organizes a formula one south korea grand prix have a reputation to repair after a disastrous lancets debut drivers were vocal about the poor conditions of the track last year which was completed just and days before the race has insisted they were to pay those mistakes when the cars returned they said. approximately six hundred million people from around one hundred eighty countries watched the event which was held here we've definitely learned from our mistakes in two thousand and ten and the world will see a new and improved form of the world try come october fourteenth. and i'll stay with malta sports as the so w
year's open away them in a while is set to defend his title louis oscars and speaking of a pretty tenement news conference on monday the defending champion will play alongside phil mickelson and mohsin in the opening round of. the victory has been great for me everything it's done in. you know it's been unreal experience is open champion and it's something that i would do work to achieve again to be known as the open champion for the year. and it's been a great experience. now organizes a...
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[applause] >> this event was hosted by the tenement museum in new york city. to find out more visit tenement.org. >> what are you reading this summer booktv wants to know. >> a book by john kenneth called the good society, it's a small book, tremendous wisdom for today. i am reading an encyclopedia of conservatism and edited by jeffrey nelson. reading a book called viral spiral on the digital commons bide david, and a recent bestseller which i haven't got around to fully reading, the black swan. >> visit booktv.org to see this and other summer reading lists. >> up next on the 2011 los angeles times festival of books, gayle lemmon, author of a "the dressmaker of khair khan" discusses her book and takessiob booktv viewer phone calls for about half an hour. >> it's my final guest this we afternoon and we're going to move from american history to f foreign policy and talk aboutut her new next best selling book andbe this is the first book for was you.w what's it like to be on the bestseller lists with your first book? >> guest: it's nice to hear people react and p
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here's someone who grew up in a tenement, made a small business now he's a billionaire.m rags to riches better than anybody in america. he said if he can't do it in this environment, how is anybody else going to get out of the gutter? they are not. everybody in florida with the unemployment rate going to wake up one day and say we have buyer's remorse. >> sean: this is why the republicans have a better hand than they think. that's why i'm so frustrating. >> obama is winning the argument. >> sean: no, he's not. because as brent bozell pointed out there's a poll that shows 74% of the american people support a balanced budget amendment. 63% support cut, cap and balance. which is their plan. the president's personal numbers are tanking. >> he's winning the argument. all those facts may be true, 73% want a balanced budget amendment but the republicans aren't making a case winning against the president. >> sean: why are his numbers going down? >> i don't know. i know just as a person that lives out there, everyone is affected by the economy. people like me that i'm not an econ
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[applause] >> this event was hosted by the tenement museum in the knight. in new york city.o find out more visit tenement.org. >>> today on booktv's "in depth," author, activist and chuck a saw -- chickasaw resident linda hogan. her books include dwellings: a spiritual history of the living world, and her latest, "rounding the human corners." join our three-hour conversation for pulitzer prize finalist linda hogan today at noon eastern on c-span2. >>> and now on booktv in his book, "the storm of war," andrew roberts presents a history of world war ii at an event at the manhattan institute at a the harvard club in new york city. he examines the entire expanse of the war which result inside the deaths of over 50 million people and a financial cost of $1.5 trillion. this is about an hour. [inaudible conversations] >> good evening, everyone. if i could have your attention, we'll get started. we're here to mark the publication of andrew roberts' latest book. it's my -- i'm larry moe, president of the manhattan institute, and it's my pleasure to introduce roger herring to tonight,
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my mother and sister and i shared a two-bedroom tenement with our grandparents and various cousins who came and wince. my mother and sisters and i lived in one of those bedrooms in share is set a bunk beds. you could go from the top to the bottom bunk to the floor. every third night on the floor. sometimes violent public schools. but we had a community. those were days when every child was under the jurisdiction of every single adults on the block. remember that? you mess up in front of ms. jones and she would straighten you out as a few words and then call home, so you got it two times. i think what those adults are trying to get across to us was that they had a stake in ast. in a community was understanding the state that each of us has, not just in our own gene -- dreams as structures, but in our neighborhood as well. given the expectation that much of society has for poor black people in circumstances like mine, i am not supposed to be where i am today. my story is improbable, but at the same time, a distinctly american story. and it may not get told as often as we would like in th
my mother and sister and i shared a two-bedroom tenement with our grandparents and various cousins who came and wince. my mother and sisters and i lived in one of those bedrooms in share is set a bunk beds. you could go from the top to the bottom bunk to the floor. every third night on the floor. sometimes violent public schools. but we had a community. those were days when every child was under the jurisdiction of every single adults on the block. remember that? you mess up in front of ms....
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my mother and sister and i shared a two-bedroom tenement with our grandparents and various cousins who came and went. my mother and sister and i said in one of those bedrooms and shared a set of bunk beds to go from the top to the bottom. every third night i went to bed broken, sometimes violent schools. but we have a community. those were days when every child was under the jurisdiction of every single adult on the block. remember that? you messed up in front and this just in she would straighten you out and then you are. and then call home so you got it two times. and i think with those adults are trying to get across to us is they had a stake in us. and and membership in the tenured he was understanding the stake for each of us has, not in her own dreams and struggles but in our neighbors as well. given the expectations that much of society has for poor black people in circumstances like mine, i am not supposed to be where i am today. my story is improbable but at the same time a distinctly american story. and it may not get told as often as we would like in this country, but it get
my mother and sister and i shared a two-bedroom tenement with our grandparents and various cousins who came and went. my mother and sister and i said in one of those bedrooms and shared a set of bunk beds to go from the top to the bottom. every third night i went to bed broken, sometimes violent schools. but we have a community. those were days when every child was under the jurisdiction of every single adult on the block. remember that? you messed up in front and this just in she would...
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we're trying to establish a tenement for doing these things but this stuff is tough to accomplish. >> you funded for several states medical marijuana so that works. works. you and george soros. >> they were well organized that it didn't work in california. these will organize groups came to us and said we have a plan, we think we can do it, give us money. that's different. we didn't generate it. we are not in the business of making plans, but this is one thing i am trying. if someone comes with a decent proposition, somebody probably will listen to it. but you were saying give me $209 we will stop the war. it's a hell of a -- had i thought it was possible i would've given you $200 million. >> that's the challenge, to make those kinds of proposals credible to businessmen and businesswomen who want results. they are tired of writing checks that in effect go nowhere. but take and daschle have which had an interest income if we would ever legalize industrial hemp, it's legal to import industrial hemp, 5000 uses, energy, food, paper, very hardy plant, tuttle aren't much fertilizer or pesti
we're trying to establish a tenement for doing these things but this stuff is tough to accomplish. >> you funded for several states medical marijuana so that works. works. you and george soros. >> they were well organized that it didn't work in california. these will organize groups came to us and said we have a plan, we think we can do it, give us money. that's different. we didn't generate it. we are not in the business of making plans, but this is one thing i am trying. if...
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my mother and sister and i shared a two-bedroom tenement with their grandparents in various cousins. my mother and sister and i lived in one of the bedrooms in chair decided they seek over-the-top onto the bottom bug, every third night on the floor. i went to be broken, sometimes violent public schools. though we had a community because those were days when every child was under the jurisdiction of every other adult on the block. remember that? he messed up and from his shows and she straightened out as if you were hers and then call home. see you got. i think what those adults are trying to get across to us as they had a stake in us and membership in the community was understanding the mistake each of us has, not just in their own dreams and then struggles, but our neighbors as well. given the expectation that much of society has for poor, black people in the circumstance of like mind, i am not supposed to be where i am today. my story is improbable. but it's at the same time, a distinctly american story. and it may not get sold as often as they like in this country, but it gets sol
my mother and sister and i shared a two-bedroom tenement with their grandparents in various cousins. my mother and sister and i lived in one of the bedrooms in chair decided they seek over-the-top onto the bottom bug, every third night on the floor. i went to be broken, sometimes violent public schools. though we had a community because those were days when every child was under the jurisdiction of every other adult on the block. remember that? he messed up and from his shows and she...
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. >> let me say to the tenement -- let me say to the gentleman, democrat and republican alike, we need to increase the debt ceiling. taking the action they're going to is going to speed us on that route toward a compromise that my friend is seeking. >> i will hurry along, reclaiming my time. you're doing this as we rapidly approach, and it is reckless. i said last night this is a mess. it is outrageous. last week, the pasteur cap, cut, and balance bill in the house and it was soundly defeated. early this week, removed a small step away from the radical approach, and passed a slightly less radical bill. it also had no chance in the senate. it turned out the bill did not have the chance in the united states house of representatives, either. it was not part radical enough, it was not part radical enough, say began walking back to the right or you started. we met on tuesday. you pulled the bill to add more cuts. we met on wednesday, the recorded a closed rule in also proposed considering commitment to the united states constitution and to the most closed process we have, allowing for no am
. >> let me say to the tenement -- let me say to the gentleman, democrat and republican alike, we need to increase the debt ceiling. taking the action they're going to is going to speed us on that route toward a compromise that my friend is seeking. >> i will hurry along, reclaiming my time. you're doing this as we rapidly approach, and it is reckless. i said last night this is a mess. it is outrageous. last week, the pasteur cap, cut, and balance bill in the house and it was...
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this was after tenement's square. dealing on china was still a no- no. we were going through the u.n. president nixon was carrying out this mission. he invited me to dinner at this house. he grilled me on what our objectives were in negotiating with the chinese. what are we going to do with vietnam? he was worried that we were going to somehow go too easy on the vietnamese and somehow compromise our dealings with the chinese. thewhatever it's worth, a door -- discussion reassured him. if you look at the outcome of the cambodian settlement and the road map to normalizing the anon, if there was any beneficiary to the negotiation , it was the chinese. with the british out, china is just over the border. >> one of the jobs of a national security advisers to brief former presidents from time to time. i once went up to new york in 1981 and brought a leading soviet specialist and a china specialist. on the way in, mr. nixon give me a call and the car. he said, are those people with you? tell them to go shopping for a while before we have dinner. i want to talk
this was after tenement's square. dealing on china was still a no- no. we were going through the u.n. president nixon was carrying out this mission. he invited me to dinner at this house. he grilled me on what our objectives were in negotiating with the chinese. what are we going to do with vietnam? he was worried that we were going to somehow go too easy on the vietnamese and somehow compromise our dealings with the chinese. thewhatever it's worth, a door -- discussion reassured him. if you...