you're probably familiar with the program i have worn out might committee members about tenncare andi asked secretary sebelius about it but from what we have found, from what i have found in my research i have more working on this since we got tenncare off of hillary care in 1995 and bear in mind it has quadrupled in cost over five years. but what we found is there is no example where the near-term expenses are going to yield a long-term savings in health care. and if you do have those examples of love to see them. because with the debate of obamacare nobody has been able to show one. not with public option, a guaranteed issue, community rating, now with any of this in new jersey jersey, tennessee, hawaii, a nywhere else. not with the waiver program, there is no example where you decrease costs, increase access and get better outcomes. if you can prove us wrong on that, then feel free to bring forward an example. you have an example? >> i think the person today who does not have health insurance coverage or do not know how to pay medical bills and worries about going into bankruptcy