ten years as ceo of tenneco. it's in my blood. i do think, obviously, through this entire campaign, we got a lot of attention on manufacturing. i think well deserved. it is still a strong part of our economy. deserves the attention. has not been maybe promoted like it should. that may be partly our fault, not just government's. certainly, it feels good to have it being talked about in a positive light these days. >> you believe in a manufacturing renaissance. how many more jobs are we talking about? >> i've always believed that manufacturing has been, is and will be a strong part of our economy. i don't know that i use the word renaissance per se, but clearly, we are going to be manufacturing the united states for a long time. we're excited about some of the policies that we're seeing talked about. i have to say there's some policies that would not excite me too much. we've got to navigate our way through that. efforts in the policy field will be important for all of us as we go through the next few years. definitely, i'm bullish