because you're taking this psychedelic drug the experience is indistinguishable to you and even terence mckenna is work through an anthropological lens talking about the origin of human evolution. and so there is just such a vast history of that kind of taboo to talk about of course because psychedelics are legal there are very taboo sorts of dialogue in our society today and you've also said that i don't follow any organized religion joe but it seems like you're a very spiritual person what does the concept of god mean to you well i don't you know it's a weird word it gets it gets thrown about by so many different people that have so many different ideas attached to it whether it's christianity or islam or judaism or mormonism that. what it means to me the just the idea if you are a race all religion a race all ideologies what is there oh path that people can live that is the most harmonious with nature and with each other is there a path is there a path of of love and of understanding and friendship and kindness in is there a way to reach that like. universally as a group. as a race as the hu