teresa moment. he would then start talking about atheism and -- >> evan: and infuriate the very people who thought they found a kindred spirit. >> thomas: so he remained very much himself in other political respects. >> evan: right. but of course he comes across as the other characters you've invented in this book come across. he comes across as quite real. >> thomas: i hope so. >> evan: yeah. >> thomas: and he -- i mean, there are even a couple of lines that, you know, i remember him saying in life, expressions he had -- >> evan: yep. >> thomas: -- that i wound up having him deploy, you know, in the course of this novel. he was tremendously witty and a fierce debater. and because he was so good at debate -- i remember when he debated a rabbi one time about the existence of god. and the rabbi said to him, "and mr. hitchens, i didn't interrupt you". and hitchens turns to him and says, "you're not quick enough". [laughter]. >> thomas: but because he was so good at that, i think that one thing a lot of people did not know about him was how gentle he could be. >> evan: yeah. >> thomas: christopher was a lo