safe place, and the reason for getting up is in 2018, in san diego, a psychologist by the name of teresa smith started a program. it is called dreams for change, so it has been done, it works, and she did not started in 2018, in 2018, she got the irvine foundation leadership award, so she is recognized for this work, and it is important that we do it." be great if we could have better places for our kids. he certainly can't cook and cars , but she set up a system that works fairly well for the time being, so thank you for even considering this. >> thank you. next speaker. >> hello, my name is larry ackerman, i would like to thank supervisor brown and others for working on this -- developing this legislation. i want to tell you about my experience, or what i had learnt about people living in their cars. i had two close friends that lost their income stream, and subsequently lost their apartment. they ended up with their few possessions in a car, and they had problems, mostly because they had to always move, move around, drive around, find a place to park, it was very unstable, there was no safe