charlie: why is she surprised about the availability of terez? > it speaks to who terez is.hink no one really knows the rules. this is outside -- you don't ally know -- is terest a lesbian? is carol. she says to her boyfriend -- no, i don't need people like that. i just need a girl and the girl to fall in love. she wants to imagine a relationship for which there is no model, you know, in the story. charlie: this is my admiring cate so much. it is how difficult lives are for people. it's just not easy. absolutely. they have these relationships that are so conflicted because of her love for a child, you know? and the times, the 1950's -- how many people are living a life that's not truly authentic. todd: exactly. when people say that cate sometimes in press conferences. i love how you play strong women. she kind of bristles because there's something about, you no, what, i'm not interested in playing strong women. i'm interested in playing onflicted women or people, you know, who are as you say nothing is easy. charlie: you wanted to make a different kind of film about a lesbia