this is where -- this is their terra firma. president says you are going to do that, i'm going to blame you for shutting down the government. for not paying america's bills. etc., etc. they believe they have the better side of the government which is you people hate government. you hate washington. we want to make it smaller. we're going to win this fight. andrea: but mike duffy, is that an argument, a winning argument politically, take ownership of cutting people's medicare? >> if i had to choose which cards i would rather be holding, the republicans who wants to make it about debt and deficit rurks and the president as he puts it in his words on economic recovery, i would probably rather have the president's cards. i think there's a cascading series of events coming here. following the fiscal cliff with the debt limit. and then the sequester runs out. and then there's a short-term extension. sometime in april. they have to deal with. and i think the white house is calculated at every point, it's our plan versus the republican

nothing like terra firma, i tell you, the safety of the crew, the safety of the arms.were all crying and just glad to be alive. >> bill presents both boys with a smokey bear pin as a tribute to their courage. meanwhile, 10-year-old aaron whitaker is shaken but in good spirits. >> would you ever fly again? >> probably when i'm older. a couple years away, yeah, probably. but this year, no. >> sir, what about you? >> you betcha. >> you've been flying for a long time. >> you bet, yep. i can't wait two years. i'm getting too old to wait. >> thanks to a nationwide fund-raising effort, bill

the basis for this assumption, i know that housing is better and feels like we hit terra firma.ive flippers and speculators. >> the rental atmosphere sort of strengthened up the economy a lot. >> it would, so much more expensive to rent and space to buy and yet people aren't buying in droves, what's going to change that? >> well, i think there are more houses on the market, legitimately on the market. in 2007 and 2006, an influx on the market that wasn't legit. it's really a situation where there's more consumer confidence and the banks are really more forth coming on the lending instruments available to you today and on top of that, they're doing other things, offering more home buyers costs that are more expensive. charles: what's going to get people to say, all of a sudden someone is sitting on the fence. what do you think gets that spark going? what sparks this move? you're talking about a boom, a big year. >> serious sellers, i think that sellers that are entertaining below asking price offers, sometimes 10 and 20% below the asking price and they're getting them sold. >> i'